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  • From: Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>
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  • Subject: Re: [Homestead] Climate-Gate
  • Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 08:53:18 -0800 (PST)

As for all those cities mentioned, yes, I do know you can see them all from
far away.  Not only the big ones, but the tiny ones too!  I personally think
all the energy usage needs to be curtailed back significantly at all levels. 
If government is so concerned about global warming, why not start with
forcing the government turning of all those street lights, turn off lights in
empty rooms, reduce vehicle energy consumption, etc.?  Not to mention that
just doing that alone would reduce a portion of our tax burdon.  Government
isn't leading the way by turning off the street lights, etc.  WHY NOT?   Late
last night, I was coming back from the mountains just north and east of El
Paso, TX (where we are expecting 6" of snow today, btw) - and every
government facility I drove past was light up like a Christmas tree.  The
amount light coming from these facilities was actually quite annoying.  And I
can't help but notice on most street corners
multiple cameras taking pictures of people, consuming and wasting energy on
every corner,,,, or drive along the I-10 and I-25 and other roads, you'll 
come across bright lights blinding drivers at night so the government can
snap more pictures, wasting more energy, not to mention the super computers
wasting energy to do the facial recognition thing.  This is an insane waste!

FYI, I don't live in AZ.  Where I live, I can and do live without AC or heat
year-round as the average temps range from 30-92, with a signifant part of
the year between 40-70.  I actually don't even turn lights on inside or out,
except briefly (as in seconds at a time) when absolutely necessary.  I use on
average 78 KWhours a MONTH, and between 21-28 gallons of LP per YEAR, and I'm
in the process of switching my KW over to 100% solar. And I'll be able to
reduce the LP consumption even further with a solar oven.  And I don't burn
wood - there aren't exactly trees to cut down around here, and I don't have a
need for it anyway.  Outside of my personal consumption is the well for water
which is on a separate line, is also being switched to solar.  Total current
energy consumption is not currently known and is being monitored with a
wattmeter.  Normally I drive less than 3000 miles per year (for more than 20
years that has been my average) and half
of that is on a 100mpg scooter now.   I've made the effort, for reasons
outside of alleged man-made global warming.  I don't like pollution.  I
believe energy sources are finite, not unlimited (except the sun), and need
to be conserved for the future.  All the legislation and taxation in the
world isn't going to do any good to conserve natural resources (including
quality of air, etc) unless each person makes an effort. 

I've had to make a lot of trips the past month, and the one thing that is
clear at night time is there are no visible signs of effort being made by the
general population or the government to reduce energy consumption.  Although
I do see a smattering of small solar panels here and there. 

Is the lack of personal effort due to massive individual carelessness?  I
don't know.

Is it due to masses of individuals in general don't buy into the man made
global warming idea?  I don't know. 

Is it that masses of individuals buy into man made global warming but figure
that someone else should have to turn off their lights, but not themselves? 
I don't know. 

Will taxing individuals in the developed nations and sending that money to
other countries going to get individuals to turn off lights? I don't know. 

What's the government's excuse?

I do know that the initial conversion to solar seems cost prohibitive.  Part
of that misconception is a lack of willingness to do personal behavior
modification.

What I do know and see with  my own eyes in state after state masses of
individuals and governments are not taking any action what-so-ever to
significantly reduce energy consumption.  A scattered few here and there yes,
but the masses, no.  Wasteful energy consumption is as visible to the naked
eye as is your local climate, as is the snow falling in the mountains today
just north of the US-Mexican border, as is all the snow on the ground (some
on mountain tops, other parts in the cooler sides of valleys) from Denver
south to the ski slopes of Sante Fe and Taos.  The streets are clogged with
traffic, and the lights are shining brightly.

Did I mention InternationalEnergy-Gate?  I can't remember.  The 2 IEA
insiders who turned whistle-blowers on the reports that the IEA has purposely
inflated the numbers on how much oil reserves actually remain?  More
lies.....why am I not surprised?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/nov/09/peak-oil-international-energy-agency
"If the real [oil reserve] figures were to come out there would be panic
........"

I am curious to see what comes out of these two latest scandals.... the IEA
lying to the world about how much oil reserves actually remain, and the
global warming scientist who's own emails admit that they have conspired to
say that global warming is man-made and supressed any other evidence to the
contrary.









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From: Lynda <lurine AT com-pair.net>
Ah, as to seeing LA, you do know that you can see Phoenix and Yuma from
Mexico and Baja at night and if you are traveling back from CA you can
definately see Phoenix from a LONG way off!  Plus, once you get there it is
lit up like Vegas!



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I don't disagree with this at all - local governments all over the country
are selling out their local populations.

The Italians named this phenomena - They called it fascism.  Where the
corporations control the beaurocrats for the purpose of making money. 

The local power company has publicly announced they support man-made global
warming.... Of course, they stand to benefit financially from that stance
since they will be able to sell a lot of carbon credits.....  Kind of reminds
me of Atlas Shrugged, where Orren Boyle benefits at the expense of Reardon....


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From: Lynda lurine AT com-pair.net

HOWEVER, your county sold you out for $$.  I'm assuming you're in either
Maricopa or La Paz counties?  Ah, where they are busy collecting 2 millions
in taxes eaach year from the power lines.  AND, it took the approval of the
bureaucrats in those counties, plus the BLM, plus CPU, plus the company
selling the power is making about $164 million. 



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On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 11:10 PM, <rayzentz AT aim.com> wrote:

>
> (snip).....Now, this isn't to say we can't do a better job of stewardship.
> We can, and should. However, when Mount Pinotubo (sic) spews forth more
> greenhouse gases in a single eruption than mankind has in his entire
> history, ......
>

Dr. Ray,

The U.S. Geological survey estimates that the CO2 emissions from the
eruption of Mt. Pinatubo as 42 Mt (million tons). The total CO2 from all
volcanic activity worldwide is about 130 Mt per year. Emissions from human
activity from the U.S. alone are about 6 Gt (billion tons).

or this:

Gerlach (1991) estimated a total global release of 3-4 x 10E12 mol/yr from
volcanoes. While this is a conservative estimate, man-made (anthropogenic)
CO2 emissions overwhelm this estimate by at least 150 times."
http://volcano.oregonstate.edu/education/gases/man.html

Where in the world did you get this idea?




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