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["Lynda" <lurine AT com-pair.net>]

You see, this is the problem I have with lots of things.  Assumptions.  You
see lights and unnecessary consumption and I know, for starters, that
California replaced, about 30 years ago, ALL of their street lights with
energy efficient lights.  Don't know about other states, but I do know about
California.  I do know that starting in the 70s and pushed during the Wilson
created energy crisis, businesses replaced lights with all fluorscent AND
removed 1 to 2 long tubes per multi-tube fixtures and shut off every other
light fixture.

For some reason, unlike absolutely every single other thing on the planet,
solar panels have not come down in cost.  That isn't logical, so something
is driving the high cost of solar.  Coal industry?  I don't know but
something is definately fishy with solar!

BTW, Texas is the ultimate consumer of electrical energy.  AND, most of CA's 
electricity is hydro which is a zero carbon impact.

Lynda
--"I'm fascinated by the hard line you're drawing over religion -- It gets
used too much, as an excuse, a fall guy, a weapon, a con.  A lot of people,
maybe most, don't mean it except when it suits them."  Dallas
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Leslie" <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>


As for all those cities mentioned, yes, I do know you can see them all from
far away. Not only the big ones, but the tiny ones too! I personally think
all the energy usage needs to be curtailed back significantly at all levels.
If government is so concerned about global warming, why not start with
forcing the government turning of all those street lights, turn off lights
in empty rooms, reduce vehicle energy consumption, etc.? Not to mention that
just doing that alone would reduce a portion of our tax burdon. Government
isn't leading the way by turning off the street lights, etc. WHY NOT? Late
last night, I was coming back from the mountains just north and east of El
Paso, TX (where we are expecting 6" of snow today, btw) - and every
government facility I drove past was light up like a Christmas tree. The
amount light coming from these facilities was actually quite annoying. And I
can't help but notice on most street corners
multiple cameras taking pictures of people, consuming and wasting energy on
every corner,,,, or drive along the I-10 and I-25 and other roads, you'll
come across bright lights blinding drivers at night so the government can
snap more pictures, wasting more energy, not to mention the super computers
wasting energy to do the facial recognition thing. This is an insane waste!

FYI, I don't live in AZ. Where I live, I can and do live without AC or heat
year-round as the average temps range from 30-92, with a signifant part of
the year between 40-70. I actually don't even turn lights on inside or out,
except briefly (as in seconds at a time) when absolutely necessary. I use on
average 78 KWhours a MONTH, and between 21-28 gallons of LP per YEAR, and
I'm in the process of switching my KW over to 100% solar. And I'll be able
to reduce the LP consumption even further with a solar oven. And I don't
burn wood - there aren't exactly trees to cut down around here, and I don't
have a need for it anyway. Outside of my personal consumption is the well
for water which is on a separate line, is also being switched to solar.
Total current energy consumption is not currently known and is being
monitored with a wattmeter. Normally I drive less than 3000 miles per year
(for more than 20 years that has been my average) and half
of that is on a 100mpg scooter now. I've made the effort, for reasons
outside of alleged man-made global warming. I don't like pollution. I
believe energy sources are finite, not unlimited (except the sun), and need
to be conserved for the future. All the legislation and taxation in the
world isn't going to do any good to conserve natural resources (including
quality of air, etc) unless each person makes an effort.

I've had to make a lot of trips the past month, and the one thing that is
clear at night time is there are no visible signs of effort being made by
the general population or the government to reduce energy consumption.
Although I do see a smattering of small solar panels here and there.

Is the lack of personal effort due to massive individual carelessness? I
don't know.

Is it due to masses of individuals in general don't buy into the man made
global warming idea? I don't know.

Is it that masses of individuals buy into man made global warming but figure
that someone else should have to turn off their lights, but not themselves?
I don't know.

Will taxing individuals in the developed nations and sending that money to
other countries going to get individuals to turn off lights? I don't know.

What's the government's excuse?

I do know that the initial conversion to solar seems cost prohibitive. Part
of that misconception is a lack of willingness to do personal behavior
modification.

What I do know and see with my own eyes in state after state masses of
individuals and governments are not taking any action what-so-ever to
significantly reduce energy consumption. A scattered few here and there yes,
but the masses, no. Wasteful energy consumption is as visible to the naked
eye as is your local climate, as is the snow falling in the mountains today
just north of the US-Mexican border, as is all the snow on the ground (some
on mountain tops, other parts in the cooler sides of valleys) from Denver
south to the ski slopes of Sante Fe and Taos. The streets are clogged with
traffic, and the lights are shining brightly.

Did I mention InternationalEnergy-Gate? I can't remember. The 2 IEA insiders
who turned whistle-blowers on the reports that the IEA has purposely
inflated the numbers on how much oil reserves actually remain? More
lies.....why am I not surprised?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/nov/09/peak-oil-international-energy-agency
"If the real [oil reserve] figures were to come out there would be panic
........"

I am curious to see what comes out of these two latest scandals.... the IEA
lying to the world about how much oil reserves actually remain, and the
global warming scientist who's own emails admit that they have conspired to
say that global warming is man-made and supressed any other evidence to the
contrary.









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From: Lynda <lurine AT com-pair.net>
Ah, as to seeing LA, you do know that you can see Phoenix and Yuma from
Mexico and Baja at night and if you are traveling back from CA you can
definately see Phoenix from a LONG way off! Plus, once you get there it is
lit up like Vegas!



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