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Good point, and this is why we do need to add to our regulations on  
emissions. 
but we need to do so in a more intelligent fashion. 
The end result of our efforts, have been to drive manufacturing out of  the
United States and into third world countries that have NO such regulations  
and
are polluting at incredible rates. Do we feel better about ourselves if our 
 own
hands are not dirty but our neighbors are? Is hiring someone else to commit 
 a 
murder for you better than doing it yourself? We share the same air and  
water with
the rest of the planet and need to look at the bigger picture when we  
create our
regulations. 
 
A tiny fraction of the scamulous money we are just handing out willy  nilly
would have re-tooled every auto plant in America to produce cleaner, more  
efficient
cars. I doubt we will ever see the money Chrysler got again, and a lesser  
amount would
have retooled everyone. At least we would have gotten something lasting for 
 our money.
We cannot fool ourselves into thinking any politician has our back on this  
issue. Creation
of taxes to address this problem will just lead to more political greed and 
 payoffs, but no
actual solution to the problem. We should have put our money into fixing  
the problem
rather than relying entirely on the factory owners to absorb the costs. We  
have lost millions
of jobs and have not helped the environment one iota. 
 
The top politician, put up as an expert on this topic is Al Gore. Obama has 
 stated that he
is his go to guy on these issues. Gore himself still flies around in the  
least efficient private jet 
in the skies, (you would think after he got the bad press he would have  
sold it) bought one
clean car but has never been seen in anything other than SUV's. He accepts  
tobacco 
subsidies intended for poor farmers, to not grow tobacco on his family land 
 (As if he would take
up farming tobacco if the money were cut off) and on that same land  
operates a mining 
operation with heavy pollution. He just built a massive indoor pool that  
draws more energy than
12 houses just to heat it. He says all this is OK though because he buys  
"carbon credits" from 
a company he owns part of. He shifts money from his left pocket to his  
right pocket in other words.
So he can live as wastefully as anyone we know, but preach to us
about how we live. He wants new taxes on us as a punishment for our  
wasteful lives, that will
hurt the poor far more than the wealthy. He left office worth less than a  
half million dollars and 
is worth over 200 million today, just a few years later. Where did the  
sudden massive wealth come
from? Not his book, and certainly not his documentary he was supposed to  
donate any proceeds from,
so where did he get it? Certainly not from corporations he is promoting the 
 agenda of, right? This
is where our trust is placed? This guy will instruct the President? We are  
in trouble.
 
Drew
 
 
 
In a message dated 11/28/2009 3:14:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
lurine AT com-pair.net writes:

You do  understand that there are naturally occuring things and 
artificially  
constructed things which do not equal each other in how they react with  
"stuff" in general.  The "bad" CO2 doesn't just occur all by its  lonesome. 
It contains lots of other heavy metals.  Something that  doesn't occur in 
nature except once in a blue moon when there is a  volcano.  Human created 
problems are just that, human  created.

For example, is cooling and warming a natural occurance?   Yes.  Is acid 
rain 
a natural occurance?  NO!  Ya see, I  have yet to find a plant that 
produces 
petroleum created CO2 with solid  particulate matter including lead.

I have NO use for Teflon but this is  just plain silly.  A reduction by 
1/6th 
is a mere drop in the bucket  for the amount of pollution the U.S. dumps in 
the atmosphere and into the  water and onto the ground.  And, since your 
plants got along quite  nicely without polution AND since the vast majority 
of plants can NOT be  grown along a freeway because petroleum CO2 is deadly 
to them, I think  your plants will do quite nicely without man induced  
pollution.

Lynda
--"I'm fascinated by the hard line you're  drawing over religion -- It gets
used too much, as an excuse, a fall guy, a  weapon, a con.  A lot of people,
maybe most, don't mean it except when  it suits them."  Dallas
----- Original Message ----- 
From:  "Leslie" <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>


>I too have searched for it  unsuccessfully. My mom saw it on a Public TV 
>type program, and I heard  mention of it on a radio show (that is not 
biased 
>towards one party or  the other, and is often exposes both main party's  
>nonsense.)
>
> Meanwhile, here's another absurdity to  ponder...Is Carbon Dioxide 
> Pollution?
> "Let’s take Barack  Obama’s absurd assertion, that carbon dioxide is a 
> dangerous  pollutant, one step further. By using Obama’s "logic," life 
> itself is  built upon pollution. It makes me wonder, once again, if our 
new 
>  President is smarter than a fifth grader. For if one is familiar with 
>  photosynthesis– and most fifth graders are – it is a process of 
converting  
> light energy to chemical energy and storing it in the bonds of sugar.  
> Plants only need light energy, carbon dioxide and water to make the  
> aforementioned sugar. Photosynthesis, which cannot take place without  
> carbon dioxide, occurs in plants (and a few bacteria) and is  responsible 
> for feeding nearly all life on Earth. But let’s not stop  there. Another 
> vital function photosynthesis performs pertains to  generating the very 
> oxygen which oxygen-breathing animals require for  survival. So let’s get 
> this straight Mr. Obama, you believe the  life-giving process of 
> photosynthesis is built upon
>  pollution? If this is your firm conviction, then you have left me 
>  wondering if enough oxygen is making it to your brain. Yet what I do 
know  
> now is that the gospel, according to Barack Obama, avows that life  
itself 
> is dependent upon pollution. How utterly  surreal."
>
>  http://www.hyperinflation.net/essays/englund56.html
>
> Obama  wants to reduce CO2 by 1/6th over the next 10 years. Hmmmm Might 
> have  to construct a still next to the garden in order to make sure the 
>  veggies get enough CO2 to produce food for me to  eat.
>
>
>
>
>  ________________________________
> From: Gerald Brittell  <gabrittell AT gmail.com>
> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
>  Sent: Sat, November 28, 2009 10:06:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [Homestead]  Climate-Gate
>
> On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Leslie  <cayadopi AT yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> .......... When I learned  that a town was discovered underneath a 
> receeding
>> glacier  in Norway that clearly tells me that the globe has been this 
warm
>>  before - and it was before the invention of cars and coal  plants.)
>>
>
>> Hi Leslie,
>
> Would you  be able to document this report? ... I have not been able to 
>  find
> mention of it Googling keywords. Is so, one instance in one  locality 
would
> not be clear evidence for me for such a general  conclusion but I would 
> like
> to read about it. thanks Jerry  B
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