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  • From: DSanner106 AT aol.com
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  • Subject: Re: [Homestead] Climate-Gate
  • Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 10:29:32 EST

Good point, and this is why we do need to add to our regulations on
emissions.
but we need to do so in a more intelligent fashion.
The end result of our efforts, have been to drive manufacturing out of the
United States and into third world countries that have NO such regulations
and
are polluting at incredible rates. Do we feel better about ourselves if our
own
hands are not dirty but our neighbors are? Is hiring someone else to commit
a
murder for you better than doing it yourself? We share the same air and
water with
the rest of the planet and need to look at the bigger picture when we
create our
regulations.

A tiny fraction of the scamulous money we are just handing out willy nilly
would have re-tooled every auto plant in America to produce cleaner, more
efficient
cars. I doubt we will ever see the money Chrysler got again, and a lesser
amount would
have retooled everyone. At least we would have gotten something lasting for
our money.
We cannot fool ourselves into thinking any politician has our back on this
issue. Creation
of taxes to address this problem will just lead to more political greed and
payoffs, but no
actual solution to the problem. We should have put our money into fixing
the problem
rather than relying entirely on the factory owners to absorb the costs. We
have lost millions
of jobs and have not helped the environment one iota.

The top politician, put up as an expert on this topic is Al Gore. Obama has
stated that he
is his go to guy on these issues. Gore himself still flies around in the
least efficient private jet
in the skies, (you would think after he got the bad press he would have
sold it) bought one
clean car but has never been seen in anything other than SUV's. He accepts
tobacco
subsidies intended for poor farmers, to not grow tobacco on his family land
(As if he would take
up farming tobacco if the money were cut off) and on that same land
operates a mining
operation with heavy pollution. He just built a massive indoor pool that
draws more energy than
12 houses just to heat it. He says all this is OK though because he buys
"carbon credits" from
a company he owns part of. He shifts money from his left pocket to his
right pocket in other words.
So he can live as wastefully as anyone we know, but preach to us
about how we live. He wants new taxes on us as a punishment for our
wasteful lives, that will
hurt the poor far more than the wealthy. He left office worth less than a
half million dollars and
is worth over 200 million today, just a few years later. Where did the
sudden massive wealth come
from? Not his book, and certainly not his documentary he was supposed to
donate any proceeds from,
so where did he get it? Certainly not from corporations he is promoting the
agenda of, right? This
is where our trust is placed? This guy will instruct the President? We are
in trouble.

Drew



In a message dated 11/28/2009 3:14:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
lurine AT com-pair.net writes:

You do understand that there are naturally occuring things and
artificially
constructed things which do not equal each other in how they react with
"stuff" in general. The "bad" CO2 doesn't just occur all by its lonesome.
It contains lots of other heavy metals. Something that doesn't occur in
nature except once in a blue moon when there is a volcano. Human created
problems are just that, human created.

For example, is cooling and warming a natural occurance? Yes. Is acid
rain
a natural occurance? NO! Ya see, I have yet to find a plant that
produces
petroleum created CO2 with solid particulate matter including lead.

I have NO use for Teflon but this is just plain silly. A reduction by
1/6th
is a mere drop in the bucket for the amount of pollution the U.S. dumps in
the atmosphere and into the water and onto the ground. And, since your
plants got along quite nicely without polution AND since the vast majority
of plants can NOT be grown along a freeway because petroleum CO2 is deadly
to them, I think your plants will do quite nicely without man induced
pollution.

Lynda
--"I'm fascinated by the hard line you're drawing over religion -- It gets
used too much, as an excuse, a fall guy, a weapon, a con. A lot of people,
maybe most, don't mean it except when it suits them." Dallas
----- Original Message -----
From: "Leslie" <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>


>I too have searched for it unsuccessfully. My mom saw it on a Public TV
>type program, and I heard mention of it on a radio show (that is not
biased
>towards one party or the other, and is often exposes both main party's
>nonsense.)
>
> Meanwhile, here's another absurdity to ponder...Is Carbon Dioxide
> Pollution?
> "Let’s take Barack Obama’s absurd assertion, that carbon dioxide is a
> dangerous pollutant, one step further. By using Obama’s "logic," life
> itself is built upon pollution. It makes me wonder, once again, if our
new
> President is smarter than a fifth grader. For if one is familiar with
> photosynthesis– and most fifth graders are – it is a process of
converting
> light energy to chemical energy and storing it in the bonds of sugar.
> Plants only need light energy, carbon dioxide and water to make the
> aforementioned sugar. Photosynthesis, which cannot take place without
> carbon dioxide, occurs in plants (and a few bacteria) and is responsible
> for feeding nearly all life on Earth. But let’s not stop there. Another
> vital function photosynthesis performs pertains to generating the very
> oxygen which oxygen-breathing animals require for survival. So let’s get
> this straight Mr. Obama, you believe the life-giving process of
> photosynthesis is built upon
> pollution? If this is your firm conviction, then you have left me
> wondering if enough oxygen is making it to your brain. Yet what I do
know
> now is that the gospel, according to Barack Obama, avows that life
itself
> is dependent upon pollution. How utterly surreal."
>
> http://www.hyperinflation.net/essays/englund56.html
>
> Obama wants to reduce CO2 by 1/6th over the next 10 years. Hmmmm Might
> have to construct a still next to the garden in order to make sure the
> veggies get enough CO2 to produce food for me to eat.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Gerald Brittell <gabrittell AT gmail.com>
> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Sent: Sat, November 28, 2009 10:06:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Climate-Gate
>
> On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> .......... When I learned that a town was discovered underneath a
> receeding
>> glacier in Norway that clearly tells me that the globe has been this
warm
>> before - and it was before the invention of cars and coal plants.)
>>
>
>> Hi Leslie,
>
> Would you be able to document this report? ... I have not been able to
> find
> mention of it Googling keywords. Is so, one instance in one locality
would
> not be clear evidence for me for such a general conclusion but I would
> like
> to read about it. thanks Jerry B
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