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["Lynda" <lurine AT com-pair.net>]

I understand that folks like to jab at California.  Hey, that's o.k.  I 
think folks who choose to live in the desert are nuts too, so what the hey 
<g>

HOWEVER, your county sold you out for $$.  I'm assuming you're in either 
Maricopa or La Paz counties?  Ah, where they are busy collecting 2 millions 
in taxes eaach year from the power lines.  AND, it took the approval of the 
bureaucrats in those counties, plus the BLM, plus CPU, plus the company 
selling the power is making about $164 million.  The plant wasn't able to 
sell enough electricity in AZ and was considering bankruptsy.  So, AZ opted 
for the 500 construction jobs, a company not going into bankruptsy and the 
annual property taxes for the two counties.

BTW, the juice is going to the Palm Sprints area and California use very 
little electricty per capita (.652)!  Only the folks in Tennessee (.16), 
Georgia (.13) and Connecticut (.087) use less.  Arizona, on the other hand, 
uses 1.049, almost double what folks in CA use.  Plus, per $10 million GDP, 
California only uses 1.525, whereas Arizona uses 3.119 per $10 million GDP. 
So, while California is the second highest energy user, in total (235,438), 
its per capita is low (total population #1 at 36,756,666), it is low for GDP 
(#1 with 1,846,757).  While Arizona's total useage (62,281) is high for a 
population of 6,500,180 and a GDP of only 247,028.

The numbers, Arizona's population is 17% of California's but its GDP is only 
13% of California's and yet the total energy consumption is 26% of 
California's.  Thus making the per capital use almost double that of 
Californians.  As my Gramma used to say, folks need to clean up their own 
backyards before worrying about their neighbor's.

Also, you pay, on average, in AZ 10.36kwh.  It would be much higher if they 
weren't making that sweetheart deal.  You could be paying the average in CA, 
15.29kwh.

Ah, as to seeing LA, you do know that you can see Phoenix and Yuma from 
Mexico and Baja at night and if you are traveling back from CA you can 
definately see Phoenix from a LONG way off!  Plus, once you get there it is 
lit up like Vegas!

Lynda
--"I'm fascinated by the hard line you're drawing over religion -- It gets
used too much, as an excuse, a fall guy, a weapon, a con.  A lot of people,
maybe most, don't mean it except when it suits them."  Dallas
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Leslie" <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>


On NIMBY. I would love to see a law passed that says that energy can not be 
transmitted more than 20 miles from the production source (or some such low 
size number). For example - there is a nat gas electric plant here in the 
desert where there is very limited water. The nat gas electric plant has 
cooling towers and uses tremendous amounts of water - and is dropping the 
regional water table level 1 foot per year now. The water just evaporates 
into the air and doesn't come back as it usually only rains here a few times 
a year. Who gets all this electricity? Not us! Not a single KW is sold here. 
Every KW is shipped to California because they are NIMBYs! Transmitting the 
electricity that far required a TON of mining operation to extract copper, 
spewing tons of diesel fumes into the air, tons of more contruction 
emissions to clear paths and erect transmission lines across two states to 
send electricity to the NIMBY's.

I just came back from California. Driving from Phoenix to LA at midnight, I 
thought we were getting close to LA because the sky looked like a sunrise in 
the western sky. Nope. We were more than 100 miles away, yet could see all 
the city lights. From there I drove to San Diego, again at nighttime,,, 
practically a solid sea of lights the entire coast line from LA to San 
Diego. Lights from electricity shipped to them from 2 states away - so they 
can pretend they are "green" while negatively impacting the environment of 
some other community far far away. Lights turned on while sleeping. Liights 
turned on at 2am in skyscrapers where workers have gone home. Lights 
lighting up streets where no one is driving, and where cars have headlights 
to light the way anyway. What hipocracy.

People need to put their actions where their mouths are and start turning 
off the lights, including the city street lights. They need to either stop 
purchasing or start unplugging all those little electronic gadgets that have 
LED readouts on them or on standby with remotes (5 watts an hour x 24 hrs a 
day x 30 days a month.... x how many in each household?)

Governments can tax people all they want and send the money to 3rd world 
countries so they can develop and turn their lights on and purchase energy 
from the energy producers.... but that will not change a damn thing. It has 
to start with individuals turning OFF their wasteful energy use habits.

The energy source with the least amouont of impact is solar on each 
individual property. There are no transmission lines needed (except from 
panels to building). That alone reduces the amount of mining for dwindling 
resources. There is no need to cut down trees for power lines. There is no 
need to waste a ton of fuel for construction. (Fuel is needed for shipping 
panels, etc initially). There is no need to replace old power poles, or 
erect them again and again after hurricanes or earthquakes or wildfires.

For all people who believe the earth is warmer because of man (even though 
the evidence is coming out that the research allegedly proving man caused 
the globe to warm as opposed to normal natural cycles of sun, etc was 
fabricated on a massive conspiratorial level) . then start right now with 
putting money where mouth is. Stop consuming energy at the personal level, 
and produce the energy needs on your own property instead of purchasing it 
from production sources in other states. (What isn't in dispute is in some 
parts of the globe that temps have risen, the dispute is whether it is man 
or a natural cyclical phase. When I learned that a town was discovered 
underneath a receeding glacier in Norway that clearly tells me that the 
globe has been this warm before - and it was before the invention of cars 
and coal plants.)

Another significant trend coming up just over the horizon that will impact 
us also at the energy level - Mexico's Cantarell Field. Miexico will soon 
(next couple of years) have to face a choice - continue exporting oil and 
deny their own people access to oil - or to stop exporting so their own 
people can have oil. Mexico is a major supplier of oil to the US. Last 
year's high gas prices (diesel hit $5 in Texas in 2008) may very well turn 
out to be the fat lady just clearing her throat before really starting to 
sing, as depletion rates are on the rise.






The world is nothing but a bunch of NIMBYs! Reminds me of the kids when
they were little and the finger pointing. Everything was someone else's
fault and the culprit always turned out to be "who me, I didn't do
anything."

Lynda


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From: Lynda lurine AT com-pair.net




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