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[bobf <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>]

Yes Lynn, I wrote that yesterday as a direct reply to a question posed to me 
by Leslie.  I 'do' think that the structures of society are crumbling.  But, 
I don't claim to know how long it will take or just how bad things will 
become.  I amde a list of a couple of dozen predictions and posted them.  
Those are some of my educated guesses.  But, still; if I am right; 'what will 
it all mean?". 

 The economy is crumbling fast, right now.  People are already losing jobs, 
credit lines, businesses.  I see it here in Phoenix, and hear of other 
stories from other places.  That doesn't mean I believe my neighbors will 
necessarily be in roving bands of starving imbeciles.  Most of them will use 
what they have attained already in life , as deflated as those assets might 
be, to stay here and persevere; move to a cheap part of europe or another 
global destination; or like me, buy someone else's homestead or farm, and 
start there.

  But, I don't agree that only poor dirt farmers will inherit the future.  
That idea is preposteurous.  There is no sin in being poor.  There is also no 
sin in 'not' being poor.

My concern is that the wrong people will be hurt first and hardest.  I have 
working poor among my family.  That matters to me.  Lynn, I still have plenty 
of time to become 'poor' myself.  That matters to me.  So far, I don't see 
the idle wealthy exhibiting nearly the concern that I see in thoses who must 
work for their food and shelter.  That matters to me.

I think things look gloomy, yes.  Do I think poor dirt farmers are holding 
the answer to a better future -- get real.  I think small hardworking 
farmers, like you or Rob, or bill or homesteaders who homestead and make 
other income like bev, and marie, and Ray, and Gene or just people with the 
mind-set trying to get rural in a responsible way like Cathy or me(  I still 
count myself, even if no-one else does--it is a mind-set)can lead to a better 
future, whether, or not, we are 'poor' and just 'sustaining'. 

 We will all play a part.  I'm worried mostly about people like my brothers.  
I do worry about myself in the sense that if services are lost in the city, I 
'will' have to leave the city.  But, I had already planned to leave the city, 
it's just the timimng and 'possible' circumstances that are in limbo, now.

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--- On Fri, 12/19/08, Lynn Wigglesworth <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com> wrote:

> From: Lynn Wigglesworth <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] big agri-biz
> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 9:05 AM
> > When you expound upon how the entire country , except
> for the few, such as 
> > yourself, will be starving and moaning and >totally
> at aloss at how to 
> > deal with life; you sound ridiculous.
> 
> Bob; I don't get this. YOU are the one constantly
> posting gloom and doom 
> reports about how 'the system' is tanking.
> YOU'VE brought up the subject of 
> people in the city rioting for food (or water, or
> whatever).  The sky is 
> falling and we're all going under. YOU wrote:
> 
> "I believe we are soon to see a race to the bottom in
> currencies.  I just 
> wish I could figure the timelines of how long deflation/
> demand 
> destruction/supply destruction/scarcity/inflation/possible
> hyper-inflation 
> would take to play out.  Events can remain irrational
> longer than a man can 
> remain solvent"
> 
> YOU seem to worry more than any of us about the economy,
> the housing market, 
> the government. Most of us just tighten our belt  and know
> that this too 
> shall pass, and we'll be OK. While you are totally
> entwined with 'the 
> system', some of us depend more on the consistencies in
> the world...spring 
> will come, crops will grow. Economies, housing bubbles,
> governments come and 
> go but the natural life cycle that is a big part of our
> world  keeps going, 
> totally ignorant of what the DOW or the Yen is doing.. I
> don't presume to 
> speak for James, but that's what I understood him to
> mean by the 'homestead 
> mindset'.
> 
> Lynn Wigglesworth 
> 
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