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Lisa K.V. Perry wrote:

> My friend pressure cans deer meat every year in broth and de-bones it. 

If you boil the meat, you get the marrow out of the bone and that nutrition 
goes into the broth.


We
> have two friends who will hunt on on our land this fall (we have so many
> deer who come up close to the house...), we're going to experience dressing
> the deer first hand. It's time to learn and hunting ourselves is next. First
> things first. I can't believe I'm going to do this, but I'm going to do
> this.

You can do it, Lisa. 
I have yet to kill my first deer, but I enjoy sitting out there.  I have, 
however, field dressed and butchered a few.  The hardest part for me, and I 
have long arms, is getting my hand in up high to cut the esophagus/trachea.  
I also have trouble skinning because I am a weakling, but I can do it.  Get a 
good knife, sharpen it,  and make sure it is made for dressing out a large 
animal.  If the weather isn't cold enough to hang it, make sure you have 
enough coolers to cut it up and store it iced in coolers for a few days.  If 
you have a tractor, go ahead and dig a good sized hole for the intestines and 
offal.  It will same you time and energy later, because after you cut up the 
deer, you will be too tired to dig the hole then.
I smile when I recall my first time gutting a deer.  I was so very cold and 
the inside of that deer was so very warm.  My arms were inside the deer up to 
my bicep, and I think I would have crawled inside him he was so warm.  
Anyway, the hardest part is not field dressing.  It is not carving it up the 
carcass, in my opinion, it is removing the connective tissue, the silver 
slime as I call it, and getting everything clean, wrapped, and in the freezer.
Most of our neighbors take their deer to town to the processor.  For $40 
bucks or so, it is a good deal for the meat, but you loose so much.  I like 
keeping the hide.  I like keeping the feet, or the spikes.  I want to examine 
the carcass myself.  I want to look at the animal's liver and other organs to 
check it's health.  I want cuts, like a neck roast, that the processor won't 
cut.  Yeah, it takes a while to process it yourself, but I think it is worth 
it.  If we shoot two or three, I might even harvest the brain and try brain 
tanning.  Who knows what I might try.  But I loose all that if I go to the 
processor.
I know you are a Dem, so just keep thinking...if Sarah can do it, I can 
too....lol..

Akka



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Who won?
I think maybe Obama jumped ahead in coming out of the gate, but maybe McCain 
caught up and they tied at the line?
I heard Obama say, Your right, John, an awful lot, and I also heard him say 
"that's just not true"  On one issue, when they were talking about Pakistan, 
I know McCain was telling the truth as Obama has said more than one he would 
invade Pakistan.  There was at least one other issue that McCain had truth on 
his side but O-man said "not true"
I think McCain had a few disrespectful low blows, like near the end when he 
insinuated that Obama was like Bush..lol...and I got tired of hearing him say 
"he doesn't get it".  Maybe that is true, but the impression I got was from a 
sour grapes kid, not very presidential.
I thought the whole Pakistan pod was telling of the debate as a whole.  
Obama's analysis of the past was right on..we did support Musharraf at the 
expense of the Pakistani people..we wasted a lot of money on a regime with 
very little-actually nothing, in return.   But McCain is also right that we 
don't need to invade Pakistan, we need to win over the tribes that have 
control of the border regions.  Throughout the debate, I felt that both guys 
were saying the right thing, but I could never feel truly comfortable with 
either one.  As fas a Pakistan/Afghanistan goes, I think we have to do 
both...we have to chase across the border, and we have to win hearts and 
minds in those tribes.  We have to stop aid to the government of Pakistan and 
somehow get it in the hands of the people who are friendly to us and might be 
able to help us.  I found myself, in different arguements, not wanting to 
choose between A and B, but wanting All of the Above or None of
 the Above. I'll bet there will actually be more undecided voters than we saw 
before the debates.

When I turned on the TV, I expected Obama to win hands down.  I certainly 
think it was close, and in the end, it may go either way.  I can see how 
O-supporters will be convinced of his win, and I can see how M-supporters 
will be convinced of his win.  If I were undecided, I don't think I saw 
anything that would lock in my vote.

Akka





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Yeah, but that still doesn't answer the question.  Why is there a specific 
instruction of no liquid with a raw pack?  

Lynda wrote:
> Those bacteria grow at room temperature.  They are killed with heat.  ALL 
> meats *should* be pressure canned.  The temps inside a pressure canner are 
> much higher than normal boiling water and normal boiling water is a high 
> enough heat to kill camphylobacter.



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On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 11:51 PM, Akka Homestead
<akkabhomestead AT yahoo.com>wrote:

>
> You can do it, Lisa.
> I have yet to kill my first deer, but I enjoy sitting out there.  I have,
> however, field dressed and butchered a few.


Just reading the descriptions you wrote - about your arms up in the deer and
the 'offal' - were hard for me. I have a 'do no harm' mantra going through
my head. I rarely eat meat. When I do, I feel hypocritical. For the last few
years I've purchased local beef or we've had deer that a friend got and we
paid for the processing, as you've said (it was exactly $40).

>
> I know you are a Dem, so just keep thinking...if Sarah can do it, I can
> too....lol..


Oh, gawd. Heaven help me. There's a joke somewhere. I'm on the road to
nowhere, the bridge to .... Sorry, the punch line is messed up. I'm not good
with jokes, too serious.
And I'm way past my bedtime.

lkvp