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[Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>]

My son was dying due to massive trauma  a few years back due to masssive 
trauama.  We all had access to all medical info (immediately 3 family) the 
whole time, and actually they updated us every 3 hours or more often as 
needed round the clock for 3 weeks.
 
However, by day 3, I was approached by docs and probably a hosp lawyer, and 
made the proxy.  Son was still conscious at this point, but not legally in a 
position to make decisions.  I used to work open heart and trama every other 
weekend.  I knew what was going on.
 
I don't know what is in the HIPPA, but it must have been totally ignored in 
the trauma center.
 
yes, though, when you go in hospital, I have noticed immediatleyl you get 
offered the DNR stuff.
 

--- On Thu, 8/13/09, Lynda <lurine AT com-pair.net> wrote:




O.K., here's a misconception and one of the problems with this big pile of 
crap that probably wouldn't even make good compost.  It is adding layers 
with price tags for things that already exist for free.

That's already the law folks.  And since HIPAA, almost every state has come 
into line with a Living Trust/Will form that is given to every patient that 
enters any hospital.  There is no need to have Medicare pay for a lawyer 
when you can go to your local hospital and get the info for free.

Right now, you go into a hospital and they ask if you have a directive.  If 
you do, they ask for a copy.  If you don't they ask if you'd like to make 
one out.  If you have one and you are in end-stage anything, then they ask 
the designated person if you are to be flagged as "DNR" (Do Not Resusitate).

Under HIPAA, even a spouse can't get info unless there is a designation. 
Even a spouse wouldn't be given info for making decisions.

Lynda
The press corp is fact-adverse but very fable friendly.

----- Original Message ----- 
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The way I read portions of the bill on end-of-life... it seems the gov't 
will force doctors to basically perform a legal service,,, i.e. advise 
patients to get a living will, etc. And the questionable parts of the bill 
that seem to be the source of the government mandated end-of-life issues is, 
to me, it reads that IF one doesn't have a living will or there is no Proxy 
(a person legally acting on the behalf), then the authorized medical staff 
gets decide, but only in accordance with state laws................. Push in 
the plug, or pull the plug. (page 429 of the 1017 page bill).

The alleged "Representative" didn't know about the clause on real-time 
access to personal financed and electronic transfer to pay (see pages 
58-59). His answers led me to believe he is only representing the party 
line.......... not the people in his area.





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From: Lynda <lurine AT com-pair.net>
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Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 1:43 PM


I don't think there should be any umbrella bills. PERIOD! One premise, one
bill. We need insurance reform. It needs its own clear and concise bill.
We need Medicare/Medicaid reform with heavy emphasis on closing loopholes
and prosecuting WITH stiff penalties (loss of license if born here, deported
if not born here [btw scream profiling but the facts are the facts, the % of
foreign born "profiteers" is far higher than the % of "natural born" citizen
fraud). We need a network of well-staffed (not graduated 303 in a class of
304 or a bunch of FNPs and PAs) clinics with a sliding scale for folks who
don't have insurance. Everyone gets Medicaid or Medicare who don't have
insurance, if they should os choose, with a buy in and share of cost
depending on ability to pay.

We don't need 53 new bureaucracies. We don't need stupid things like
marriage counseling by a psychiatrist or psychologist for folks in a convo.
We don't need, we don't need, we don't need about covers the whole bill.

Lynda
The press corp is fact-adverse but very fable friendly.

----- Original Message ----- 
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> That too. But the amophisms, says I, are not so much in individual
> vagueries but rather in saying one thing in one section and the opposite
> in
> another. You are probably familiar with Claire Wolfe's 'You are Probably
> and
> Outlaw' series in Backwoods magazine. The premise being that there are so
> many
> Byzantine and contradictory laws, you cannot help be be breaking some of
> them
> just in your day to day affairs. Then the aurthorities have the option of
> selectively enforcing them or not giving them carte blache to harass you
> if
> they choose .... or not.
>
> Like that, the purpose of a 1000 page bill like this one is so that once
> it
> is passed, you can call up and enforce whatever bits and pieces of it you
> want and ignore the rest. It's like a big box of Legos, once you have
> such a
> convoluted bill passed, you can build whatever reality out of it you
> choose.
>
> Not gonna happen, but my take would be to allow the Prez and Congress to
> write whatever sort of health care bill they like ..... you have fifty
> pages
> of no less than 10 point type and that's it. Thirty maybe.

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Or the shiney thing's health czar wrote it a long time ago, after he wrote 
his book on why the old folks shouldn't get medical care.................  
 
I don't usuallly watch TV, and I don't have cable,,,,, but I am watching some 
links someone sent on the health care coverage on Cable Fox............. I 
had no idea the protests were escalating like this.  Been too busy.....
 
Oh, I see the Shiney thing has led to some new jobs creations............. 
Craigs List..... Sign up and get $$$$$$ for promoting ObamaCare.......... LOL 
 google it.  :-)
 
 

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~~jumping up and down, waving hand~~  I know the answer to this one <<eg>>

Ya see, this is how the campaign was run that got the Shiney Thing elected. 
He said he wouldn't accept any money from any lobbyists.  Well, he didn't 
accept any *cash* from any lobbyist.  However, he accepted money from their 
wives, their family, their friends AND he accepted pro bono work from them 
inlieu of payment.  This is all payback.  Time to pay the credit cards.

He owes, he owes and he owes.  I will give him credit.  He does pay his 
debts.  That's who's writing these things.  All his little special interests 
groups.

The "They" have put in things like the section that says that NO ONE shall 
be denied health benefits based on "any characteristics."   Citizenship is a 
characteristic!  Viva La Raza and MecHa.

Lynda
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Leslie" <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>


I couldn't agree more on the major significance of those tiny words in 
legaleze !

I've seen motions get denied based on one little word in the law in a case 
I'm following, and of course the masses don't have reading comprehension 
skills, therefore they believe that the judge was paid off, etc. because 
they can't understand the law, and in fact, even use the very laws that 
knock out their motions as the very reasons a judge should support them.... 
dumb....

You wrote, "This what they are counting on!"


WHO IS "THEY"................. Because "they", our elected slippery ones 
haven't even read the bill, therefore, who is the "they" that wrote the 
bill.... who stands to gain from this?


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This what they are counting on!

Lynda




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That is the elementary point, Watson !!!
 
He says from one side of his mouth he isn't trying to destroy the current 
system............
but the reality is what you point out...............
 
 
 
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Ok, maybe some of you can clear this up.
The President keeps saying that we can keep our insurance plans if we 
want to and are satisfied with it.
To me, that is just a weird thing to say...
We pay over $600/month for medical insurance-our portion of the 
premium-his employers pays the other half.
Of course, we pay taxes like everyone else.

So here is my question...
We could sure use that 600 bucks elsewhere-maybe even a medical savings 
account, so if the government will provide, I would certainly drop the 
plan we have for a less expensive or free one, after all, I am a 
taxpayer who is paying for that plan, too.

Why *should* I keep my BCBS plan when it is outrageously expensive?
If I ditch my plan, and others do the same, it won't take long until 
private insurance will be a thing of the past, and we will either 
overwhelm Obamacare or bankrupt the government.

What am I missing here?
Why would anyone keep their insurance if there is a free program that 
will insure me?

B


Leslie wrote:
> I was invited to participate in a local area town hall via phone meeting on 
> health care.
>  
> FYI, the Rep. took a poll.................. and learned that 49% of the 
> people "invited" completely object to Gov't-Care.
>  
> Poll Results, Question was what is your priority....
>  
> In favor of Gov't providing health care for everyone - 21%
> In favor of Gov't cracking down and forcing all healthcare providers and 
> related to lower costs - 21%
> In favor of Gov't improving heatlh care - 9%
> In favor of keeping the system as it is........... 49%
>  
> Not lying.
> 
> Rep. Harry Teague's conf call 8/11/2009.
>  
>  
>  
> The way I read portions of the bill on end-of-life... it seems the gov't 
> will force doctors to basically perform a legal service,,, i.e. advise 
> patients to get a living will, etc.  And the questionable parts of the bill 
> that seem to be the source of the government mandated end-of-life issues 
> is, to me, it reads that IF one doesn't have a living will or there is no 
> Proxy (a person legally acting on the behalf), then the authorized medical 
> staff gets decide, but only in accordance with state laws................. 
> Push in the plug, or pull the plug.  (page 429 of the 1017 page bill).
>  
> The alleged "Representative" didn't know about the clause on real-time 
> access to personal financed and electronic transfer to pay (see pages 
> 58-59).  His answers led me to believe he is only representing the party 
> line.......... not the people in his area.
>  
>  
> 
>  
> 
> --- On Sun, 8/9/09, Lynda <lurine AT com-pair.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Lynda <lurine AT com-pair.net>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] The future of eldercare in the US
> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 1:43 PM
> 
> 
> I don't think there should be any umbrella bills.  PERIOD! One premise, one 
> bill.  We need insurance reform.  It needs its own clear and concise bill. 
> We need Medicare/Medicaid reform with heavy emphasis on closing loopholes 
> and prosecuting WITH stiff penalties (loss of license if born here, 
> deported 
> if not born here [btw scream profiling but the facts are the facts, the % 
> of 
> foreign born "profiteers" is far higher than the % of "natural born" 
> citizen 
> fraud).  We need a network of well-staffed (not graduated 303 in a class of 
> 304 or a bunch of FNPs and PAs) clinics with a sliding scale for folks who 
> don't have insurance.  Everyone gets Medicaid or Medicare who don't have 
> insurance, if they should os choose, with a buy in and share of cost 
> depending on ability to pay.
> 
> We don't need 53 new bureaucracies.  We don't need stupid things like 
> marriage counseling by a psychiatrist or psychologist for folks in a convo. 
> We don't need, we don't need, we don't need about covers the whole bill.
> 
> Lynda
> The press corp is fact-adverse but very fable friendly.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <Clansgian AT wmconnect.com>
> 
>> That too.  But the amophisms, says I, are not so much in individual
>> vagueries but rather in saying one thing in one section and the opposite 
>> in
>> another.  You are probably familiar with Claire Wolfe's 'You are Probably 
>> and
>> Outlaw' series in Backwoods magazine.  The premise being that there are so 
>> many
>> Byzantine and contradictory laws, you cannot help be be breaking some of 
>> them
>> just in your day to day affairs.  Then the aurthorities have the option of
>> selectively enforcing them or not giving them carte blache to harass you 
>> if
>> they choose .... or not.
>>
>> Like that, the purpose of a 1000 page bill like this one is so that once 
>> it
>> is passed, you can call up and enforce whatever bits and pieces of it you
>> want and ignore the rest.  It's like a big box of Legos, once you have 
>> such a
>> convoluted bill passed, you can build whatever reality out of it you 
>> choose.
>>
>> Not gonna happen, but my take would be to allow the Prez and Congress to
>> write whatever sort of health care bill they like ..... you have fifty 
>> pages
>> of no less than 10 point type and that's it.  Thirty maybe.
> 
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If it was after 2003, they shouldn't have told you anything.  Total
violation of HIPAA.

Lynda
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Leslie" <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>


My son was dying due to massive trauma a few years back due to masssive
trauama. We all had access to all medical info (immediately 3 family) the
whole time, and actually they updated us every 3 hours or more often as
needed round the clock for 3 weeks.

However, by day 3, I was approached by docs and probably a hosp lawyer, and
made the proxy. Son was still conscious at this point, but not legally in a
position to make decisions. I used to work open heart and trama every other
weekend. I knew what was going on.

I don't know what is in the HIPPA, but it must have been totally ignored in
the trauma center.

yes, though, when you go in hospital, I have noticed immediatleyl you get
offered the DNR stuff.