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Scenario #1: the change would be that they could change to another ins 
provider. Obama has said that current govt employee plans would be available.

Scenario #2: the change would be that plans would become more affordable to 
make purchasing ins easier for those who currently cannot. More people buy 
in, the price goes lower.

Scenario #3: the change would be no change. Obama has stated repeatedly that 
if you are happy with your current provider, you can keep it.

I am really failing to see both why people are so resistant to change when it 
promises to be something everyone can benefit from and why, when the man has 
explained it so much, people still act like they don't understand it.

Rene in Montana 
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Lynn Wigglesworth" <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com>

Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 11:39:30 
To: <homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [Homestead] The future of eldercare in the US


I think the problem is that there are so few specifics in Obama's healthcare 
bill. If a person now pays $293/month for family health insurance through an 
employer, and gets a stubborn HMO with lots of co-pays and rules and  hoops 
to jump through, how will that change? If a person is unemployed, has no 
health insurance and no money to buy any, how will that change? If a person 
is a senior citizen on Medicare, and happy with it, how will that change? 
These are real life examples of my ex and kids, myself, and my mother. All 
different situations, and we all wonder how it will affect us.

Lynn Wigglesworth
Tioga Co. PA
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <DSanner106 AT aol.com>
To: <homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Homestead] The future of eldercare in the US


>
>
> In a message dated 8/8/2009 10:25:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> Clansgian AT wmconnect.com writes:
>
> agree  that most of the hype is overblown on the differences between
>>  Canadian and American health care, but where the article is pointing out
>
>> the
>>
>
> The title of the article is, after all,  "Debunking the Myths of the
> Canadian Health Care System."  Would one  not expect it to be addressing
> only one
> side of the  question?
>
>
> It  doesn't matter that the author is a flaming left-winger, nor that she
> might not display the best decorum in her communicaitons,  the  important
> point
> is whether the explosion of the myths are true or  not.
>
> The source always matters, this is a really important issue and when
> someone says they are debunking
> myths and only gives part of the facts, that doesn't help one bit. We need
> transparency here and that includes understanding who is writing what we
> are  reading and knowing their agenda.
>
>
> To  that end, I would not characterize what is being said about the
> Canadian
> system by the opponents of Obamacare to be "overblown", but rather out and
> out lies and fabrication.
>
> If you base that on this one opinion piece, it would seem so. But I have
> waited in line with Canadians at health clinics in Michigan that would
> disagree  with much of this.
>
>
> When  the vocal and vehement opponents of the proposals say (as they do
> loudly  and repeatedly) that Canadians cannot choose their doctor, people
> have to
> pay out of pocket for essential healthcare and come to the US to get it,
> doctors work for the Canadian government and hospitals are owned by the
> governemnt .... that is not overblown, it is out and out  mendacity.
>
> Canadians were promised that If they liked their health care insurance,
> they could keep it, If they liked their current doctor, they could keep 
> him.
> Unfortunately, the single payer system drove out the insurance companies,
> and  the doctors left the patients, whether the patient liked it or not. 
> Rural
> doctors were not allowed to charge a bit more for offering care to fewer
> patients, and doctors are paid based on quantity now. There is a set rate
> for  procedures so doctors left the rural areas and moved to more 
> populated
> areas.  This is not some small group of vocal opponents, the majority of
> americans do  not think obamacare will improve their care. The original 
> budget
> estimates of a  few hundred billion have now grown to nearly 3 trillion
> according to the  Congressional Budget Office, so the whole promise of 
> cost
> savings seems like a  pipe dream.
>
> Drew
>
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