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["Lynda" <lurine AT com-pair.net>]

O.K., here's a misconception and one of the problems with this big pile of 
crap that probably wouldn't even make good compost.  It is adding layers 
with price tags for things that already exist for free.

That's already the law folks.  And since HIPAA, almost every state has come 
into line with a Living Trust/Will form that is given to every patient that 
enters any hospital.  There is no need to have Medicare pay for a lawyer 
when you can go to your local hospital and get the info for free.

Right now, you go into a hospital and they ask if you have a directive.  If 
you do, they ask for a copy.  If you don't they ask if you'd like to make 
one out.  If you have one and you are in end-stage anything, then they ask 
the designated person if you are to be flagged as "DNR" (Do Not Resusitate).

Under HIPAA, even a spouse can't get info unless there is a designation. 
Even a spouse wouldn't be given info for making decisions.

Lynda
The press corp is fact-adverse but very fable friendly.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Leslie" <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>

The way I read portions of the bill on end-of-life... it seems the gov't 
will force doctors to basically perform a legal service,,, i.e. advise 
patients to get a living will, etc. And the questionable parts of the bill 
that seem to be the source of the government mandated end-of-life issues is, 
to me, it reads that IF one doesn't have a living will or there is no Proxy 
(a person legally acting on the behalf), then the authorized medical staff 
gets decide, but only in accordance with state laws................. Push in 
the plug, or pull the plug. (page 429 of the 1017 page bill).

The alleged "Representative" didn't know about the clause on real-time 
access to personal financed and electronic transfer to pay (see pages 
58-59). His answers led me to believe he is only representing the party 
line.......... not the people in his area.





--- On Sun, 8/9/09, Lynda <lurine AT com-pair.net> wrote:


From: Lynda <lurine AT com-pair.net>
Subject: Re: [Homestead] The future of eldercare in the US
To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 1:43 PM


I don't think there should be any umbrella bills. PERIOD! One premise, one
bill. We need insurance reform. It needs its own clear and concise bill.
We need Medicare/Medicaid reform with heavy emphasis on closing loopholes
and prosecuting WITH stiff penalties (loss of license if born here, deported
if not born here [btw scream profiling but the facts are the facts, the % of
foreign born "profiteers" is far higher than the % of "natural born" citizen
fraud). We need a network of well-staffed (not graduated 303 in a class of
304 or a bunch of FNPs and PAs) clinics with a sliding scale for folks who
don't have insurance. Everyone gets Medicaid or Medicare who don't have
insurance, if they should os choose, with a buy in and share of cost
depending on ability to pay.

We don't need 53 new bureaucracies. We don't need stupid things like
marriage counseling by a psychiatrist or psychologist for folks in a convo.
We don't need, we don't need, we don't need about covers the whole bill.

Lynda
The press corp is fact-adverse but very fable friendly.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Clansgian AT wmconnect.com>

> That too. But the amophisms, says I, are not so much in individual
> vagueries but rather in saying one thing in one section and the opposite
> in
> another. You are probably familiar with Claire Wolfe's 'You are Probably
> and
> Outlaw' series in Backwoods magazine. The premise being that there are so
> many
> Byzantine and contradictory laws, you cannot help be be breaking some of
> them
> just in your day to day affairs. Then the aurthorities have the option of
> selectively enforcing them or not giving them carte blache to harass you
> if
> they choose .... or not.
>
> Like that, the purpose of a 1000 page bill like this one is so that once
> it
> is passed, you can call up and enforce whatever bits and pieces of it you
> want and ignore the rest. It's like a big box of Legos, once you have
> such a
> convoluted bill passed, you can build whatever reality out of it you
> choose.
>
> Not gonna happen, but my take would be to allow the Prez and Congress to
> write whatever sort of health care bill they like ..... you have fifty
> pages
> of no less than 10 point type and that's it. Thirty maybe.

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