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["Lynn Wigglesworth" <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com>]

From: "EarthNSky" <erthnsky AT bellsouth.net>
> > Janice Okubo, director of communication for the Hawaii Department of
> > Health explained that an 'out of state' birth certificate still lists
> > where you were born...Bali was the example she gave. It would be a
> > Hawaiian birth certificate showing that you were born in Bali, NOT
> > Hawaii.
>
> But it all relies on where the parent claims the birth took place, right?
I would assume you have to have some kind of evidence of where you were 
born. In any case, that's not the kind of birth certificate Obama has.
> Third, and the one I have, is the one I use that shows my adoptive
> parents as my parents.  Very strange to see because it is a lying
> document.  No where does it say that I was adopted,,,it just treats my
> adoptive parents as if they were my biological parents.

Wow; is that the way adoptions are handled? That is strange.

> The thing is, many people have a need for more than one certificate,
> either because of adoption(which applies in Obama's case when his name
> was changed to Barry Soetoro)

Was he legally adopted? Or did he just use his stepfather's name?

> Like I said, each state is different.  Comparing my state to yours or
> yours to Hawaii is apples and oranges.
It seems odd that there is so much variation at the state level, yet these 
are important documents at a federal level...getting a SS# or a passport, 
for example.

> The so called Birthers are obsessed because they believe that Obama has
> intentionally withheld information about his past.  He refuses to
> address the many questions about his past.

I have to wonder if he realizes that every time he addresses one rumor, 5 
more pop up. There is absolutely no satisfying some of his critics. If it 
were me, I'd put some effort into supplying documents to address people's 
concerns, but I'm not him. I also wonder if he's just thumbing his nose at 
his critics because he can (not a good stance for a President to take). I'm 
not a big fan of Obama's policies, but I don't like the witch hunt, either. 
People called for his birth certificate, he provided it, with statements 
from Hawaiian officials that it's legit, but that's not good enough.

 > There is another reason that this story will not die, and I'm sure that
> people realize this or not, but there is a growing number of countries
> who are claiming that President Obama is Kenyan, and I believe that they
> are also stirring the pot.  If it is true, and he really was born in
> Kenya, it make Americans look extremely stupid and gullible, not
> understanding our own laws and processes, and what does it say about our
> ability to investigate, our ability to be truthful, what does it say
> about our media's 'freedom' if they refuse to investigate claims?
> There are quite a few 'Patriots', veterans, who are concerned about this.
It would also mean that our whole system of proving citizenship is flawed, 
and/or several high-level Hawaiian officials are lying. The short forms are 
supposed to be a certification that the state has verified the information 
of the birth; there are registration numbers that link back to more 
information; I have no idea how easy/hard it is to get this information. I 
looked at the PA site, and couldn't find any way to request any birth 
document other than the one I have.  If his birth certificate is not proof 
of citizenship, then neither is mine...mine has less information than his 
(my parents names are not on my Certification of Birth), yet it got me a 
passport. My kids birth certificates, also from Pennsylvania, mailed to me 
when their births were registered, DO have the parents' names.
>

> Arresting someone for Disorderly Conduct is almost always a judgment
> call.  I'm glad the charges were dropped, but I back the officer's call
> to arrest him.  It sounds to me as if the guy was acting irrational and
> out of character for a Harvard professor.
> At any rate, I don't think the President should have commented on the
> matter, and I certainly don't agree with his comments.
> What do y'all think about that?

I agree completely. Obama had no business commenting on it. Saying that 
police "acted stupidly", especially when you don't have all the facts, 
is...um...stupid and totally un-Presidential. I think he opened a can of 
worms he shouldn't have opened. It comes down to believing the police 
report, or believing Mr. Gates, who claims he just stepped outside to thank 
the officer and was handcuffed. The officer's version sounds more plausible 
to me. There were reportedly lots and lots of witnesses...civilians, 
Cambridge police, University police...what cop is going to slap handcuffs on 
someone in front of witnesses without a good reason? Where are all the 
witnesses??

Lynn Wigglesworth
Tioga Co. PA