permaculture

[ChildrensPeaceGuild <childrenspeaceguild@yahoo.com>]

"our marketing is...unprecedented in the PC community"

Well, he's certainly right about that!


I am interested in the developments of both PI-USA and PINA.
It would be great if they could work together somehow. Combine resources, etc.

Best of luck to both. Inspiring times...


-Roman Shapla

Children's Permaculture Guild



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I filled out the contact form on the americanpermaculture.org website, and
received the following response, from Vlad. Note that I asked several
questions about the organizational structure and connection to the
permaculture community that he totally ignores, despite going on to talk
about "transparency."

Ben,

The Regenerative Leadership Institute is the founding member of the
American Permaculture Association.  We launched the organization as
a way of bringing unprecedented transparency to the movement without
creating any kind of a hierarchy.

In essence we are saying that here are the standards all of our
trainings meet and exceed.  Anyone else who runs permaculture
trainings is welcome to join us;  and by doing so they will also
be able to piggy-back off our marketing (which is quite frankly
unprecedented in the PC community)
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On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Ben Martin Horst <ben.martinhorst@gmail.com
> wrote:

> I filled out the contact form on the americanpermaculture.org website, and
> received the following response, from Vlad. Note that I asked several
> questions about the organizational structure and connection to the
> permaculture community that he totally ignores, despite going on to talk
> about "transparency."
>
> Ben,
>
> The Regenerative Leadership Institute is the founding member of the
> American Permaculture Association.  We launched the organization as
> a way of bringing unprecedented transparency to the movement without
> creating any kind of a hierarchy.
>
>
He is working hard to steer the permaculture movement away from any kind of
organization that endorses standards. He fears this because he knows he
would be excluded because he is unwilling to cooperate or collaborate with
others. This is more mindlessness from his propaganda website that
illustrates his attempts at decentralization of the movement:

"The American Permaculture Association™ promotes the advancement of
regenerative permaculture design in the United States.  We develop *
voluntary* standards that improve quality of permaculture education
opportunities, helping advance trust within the marketplace.

The permaculture education movement is intentionally a highly decentralized
body, and we help the movement stay decentralized while dramatically
increasing in complexity and gaining greater mainstream acceptance."


> In essence we are saying that here are the standards all of our
> trainings meet and exceed.  Anyone else who runs permaculture
> trainings is welcome to join us;  and by doing so they will also
> be able to piggy-back off our marketing (which is quite frankly
> unprecedented in the PC community)
>
> Again, the standards are both transparent and voluntary.  There
> is no requirement to say "you must join this" but rather a very
> clear, very public statement as to what an APA-accredited
> designer has completed.
>
> Please reach out with any other questions.  :o)
>
> With gratitude,
>
> Vladislav
> ---
> Regenerative Leadership Institute
> The nation's sustainable living and permaculture design school
>

Totally absurd and preposterous.