permaculture

[Michael Pilarski <friendsofthetrees@yahoo.com>]

To clarify a few
things.

 

I have seen some
comments that there are no on-line pdcs.

 

There are on-line
permaculture design courses. They have been offered for quite a few years and
they are proliferating. The first online pdcs in the US were offered by Dan
Hemenway and there are Australian ones as well. 
Marisha Auerbach and Andrew Millison, both well respected pdc teachers, have
recently started on-line pdc courses.  

 

There have been many
attempts to set pdc course standards over the years, both internationally and
in the US (including by PI-USA).  I do not have a clear picture
of the current situation. Most likely Jude Hobbs has the current best overview
of the situation as she has been working with others to reinstitute the
Permaculture Institute of North America (PINA) as a pdc certifying body with
clear standards for offering pdc certification. 

 

At the moment,
basically any person can do a training and call it a permaculture design
course. They can give a certificate based solely on their own cognizance with
no organizations backing them. This has led to a free-for-all situation and 
the
pdcs offered in the US vary widely in their quality, although I believe most 
of
them are credible. 

 

Because of this real
(or perceived) vacuum it has opened the door for Vlad to try to set himself up
(through the name American Permaculture Association) as the certifying body 
for
pdcs in the US. 

 

This is ludicrous
since Vlad has a very poor reputation among many permaculturists in the US. I
don’t know anyone who supports him. On the other hand, Jude Hobbs and the 
people
she is working with to set pdc standards, have very good reputations.

 

It will be very
interesting to see what goes down as this story plays out.

 

As Loren says, it is
past due time for a national gathering to discuss this. 

 

Michael Pilarski

Northwest
Permaculture Convergence and Inland Northwest Permaculture Guild

 






--- On Tue, 2/26/13, loren luyendyk <loren@sborganics.com> wrote:

From: loren luyendyk <loren@sborganics.com>
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Who is this?
To: "Permaculture Listserve" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Date: Tuesday, February 26, 2013, 10:50 PM


With all due respect, PI-USA has left a void, a niche, which has been filled 
by this guy whoever whatever American Permaculture Association.  As Toby 
hinted, PI-USA hasn't been too vocal about their role, and now other people 
are stepping up to fill the niche.

Is there a list of teachers and courses accredited by PI-USA?  Is PI-USA 
involved with PINA?  Is there a plan for a national gathering to discuss 
this?  After 15 years I think it about time... 

And sorry, if you haven't been earning a living wage doing permaculture, and 
you've been doing it over 10 years then perhaps its time to re-evaluate the 
sustainability of your business.

Loren Luyendyk
805-452-8249
Permaculture Design and Education
ISA Certified Arborist #WE-7805A
www.sborganics.com
www.globalpermaculture.com
www.surferswithoutborders.com


> From: lfljvenaura@gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 00:14:17 -0500
> To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Who is this?
> 
> On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 11:44 PM, Jason Gerhardt 
> <jasongerhardt@gmail.com>wrote:
> 
> > Who is Vladislav's teacher? He or she might want to consider retracting 
> > his
> > certificate.
> >
> > Geoff Lawton & PRI. as far as I know
> 
> who must endorse his method of "doing business"
> 
> since the self-appointed royalty of the world of permaculture seem to take
> issue with Scott & PI
> and many others we know, and any standards regulatory infrastructure they
> may favor, then I guess its anything goes for perma-entrepreneurism and get
> rich quick off the backs of those who started and nurtured the permaculture
> movement over the decades, many of whom may have yet to earn a living wage
> from their efforts teaching and promoting PC
> 
> the way to deal with the regenerawhatsis scambabbler is to spread he word
> about his sleazy offerings and methods of doing business and dealing with
> customer-suckers
> unfortunately, part of his permaculture "education" was becoming well
> versed in the get rich quick scheme and sue all those who get in the way;
> this is exactly what has unfolded to date,
> although unsuccessful, wittness his song and dance, identity morphing,
> whining begathons, phony projects.
> 
> 
> > Don't we already have standards? I feel like all that is left to do is
> > enforce them. We had a guy here on the Front Range start a "permaculture
> >
> 
> Get on with it.
> 
> institute" who had never taken a PDC. With continuous pressure from myself
> > and the help of Scott Pittman, he changed his groups name. I understand
> > Vlad is a different breed however.
> >
> > Having visions of ants carrying sick members from the colony, we ignore
> > ecological hierarchy to our own peril perhaps.
> >
> > In the end, Vlad will do what Vlad will do. And those of us really in it
> > will keep on going and making good things happen. Anybody who signs up for
> > one of Vlad's courses or programs is ignoring some major warning signs.
> > That's on them.
> >
> > "Listen, heres the thing. If you can't spot the sucker in the first half
> > hour at the table, then you ARE the sucker".
> > -Rounders
> >
> > --
> > Jason Gerhardt
> > Designer and Educator
> >
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