permaculture

[loren luyendyk <loren@sborganics.com>]

With all due respect, PI-USA has left a void, a niche, which has been filled 
by this guy whoever whatever American Permaculture Association.  As Toby 
hinted, PI-USA hasn't been too vocal about their role, and now other people 
are stepping up to fill the niche.

Is there a list of teachers and courses accredited by PI-USA?  Is PI-USA 
involved with PINA?  Is there a plan for a national gathering to discuss 
this?  After 15 years I think it about time... 

And sorry, if you haven't been earning a living wage doing permaculture, and 
you've been doing it over 10 years then perhaps its time to re-evaluate the 
sustainability of your business.

Loren Luyendyk
805-452-8249
Permaculture Design and Education
ISA Certified Arborist #WE-7805A
www.sborganics.com
www.globalpermaculture.com
www.surferswithoutborders.com


> From: lfljvenaura@gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 00:14:17 -0500
> To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Who is this?
> 
> On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 11:44 PM, Jason Gerhardt 
> <jasongerhardt@gmail.com>wrote:
> 
> > Who is Vladislav's teacher? He or she might want to consider retracting 
> > his
> > certificate.
> >
> > Geoff Lawton & PRI. as far as I know
> 
> who must endorse his method of "doing business"
> 
> since the self-appointed royalty of the world of permaculture seem to take
> issue with Scott & PI
> and many others we know, and any standards regulatory infrastructure they
> may favor, then I guess its anything goes for perma-entrepreneurism and get
> rich quick off the backs of those who started and nurtured the permaculture
> movement over the decades, many of whom may have yet to earn a living wage
> from their efforts teaching and promoting PC
> 
> the way to deal with the regenerawhatsis scambabbler is to spread he word
> about his sleazy offerings and methods of doing business and dealing with
> customer-suckers
> unfortunately, part of his permaculture "education" was becoming well
> versed in the get rich quick scheme and sue all those who get in the way;
> this is exactly what has unfolded to date,
> although unsuccessful, wittness his song and dance, identity morphing,
> whining begathons, phony projects.
> 
> 
> > Don't we already have standards? I feel like all that is left to do is
> > enforce them. We had a guy here on the Front Range start a "permaculture
> >
> 
> Get on with it.
> 
> institute" who had never taken a PDC. With continuous pressure from myself
> > and the help of Scott Pittman, he changed his groups name. I understand
> > Vlad is a different breed however.
> >
> > Having visions of ants carrying sick members from the colony, we ignore
> > ecological hierarchy to our own peril perhaps.
> >
> > In the end, Vlad will do what Vlad will do. And those of us really in it
> > will keep on going and making good things happen. Anybody who signs up for
> > one of Vlad's courses or programs is ignoring some major warning signs.
> > That's on them.
> >
> > "Listen, heres the thing. If you can't spot the sucker in the first half
> > hour at the table, then you ARE the sucker".
> > -Rounders
> >
> > --
> > Jason Gerhardt
> > Designer and Educator
> >
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