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["Lynda" <lurine AT com-pair.net>]

Sorry, Drew, but that isn't how Infant mortality in the U.S. is counted. 
Lots of folks get confused on this issue and the Right to Lifers have a hay 
day with the stats.  There are two types of abortions -- spontaneous and 
induced.  Spontaneous abortions are used in the mortality rates.  Induced 
are listed as abortions.

Nor are you correct on the hospitals counting deaths that occur within the 
hospital.  If a patient comes in with a stroke and they acquire a staf 
infection and then die from a second massive CVA, then they don't have to 
count the staf infection as a cause of death.  If they come in with a hang 
nail and die from staf, then they have to count the staf infection. 
Regardless, they have to count that the patient acquired a staf infection 
while in the hospital as part of their monthly QA and that is reviewed with 
the yearly summary that is provided to the feds.

Your numbers on breast cancer are also off.  The rate in the U.S. and Italy 
are the same, 20.7.  France's rate is lower at 19.7.

Overall cancer death rates (per 100,000) are:  Italy:  418, U.S. 321.9 and 
France with 286.1.  Prostate cancer deaths are somewhat higher in Europe but 
not because of care.  The studies show that men in Europe are more likely to 
wait longer to see a physician and less likely to agree to some of the 
things that are done to save lives.

And, people leave the U.S. in droves to get surgery in other countries. 
India being one of them.  There are even companies that specialize in 
arranging it like WorldMed Assist.  Blue Cross and Blue Shield will even 
cover the costs out of the country.  Companion Global Healthcare is another 
that works on the outsourcing of healthcare.

Most folks go to India for major surgery.  Followed by Mexico, Thailand, 
Singapore and Costa Rica.

BTW, it can take up to 3 months here in the U.S. to get an insurance company 
to approve an MRI!  Ah, I know.  That's how long we had to wait for youngest 
to get her's.

And I have a friend who had a tumor in her leg.  She couldn't get it removed 
unless she put the money up front.  She had to mortgage her house!  $60,000 
and then they wouldn't do aftercare unless she paid in advance!

My speciality was insurance and believe me, the care here in the U.S. is 
slim to none unless you have someone as persistant as an angry bulldog 
working in the authorization office of your doctor's office or hospital you 
plan on using!  The stonewalling and general thick headed stupidity of a 
whole lot of the folks working at insurance companies is nothing short of 
unbelieveable!  It takes a lot of work to get beyond the lay person you 
first get on the phone and then you get a burnt out RN or a 9-5 MD who 
probably graduated last in his class and couldn't get work anywhere else!

Lynda
"Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored."  Aldous Huxley

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <DSanner106 AT aol.com>


> These stats are so messed up they are meaningless. We just sent back our
> french exchange student yesterday, had his brother with us last year. His
> mother  is a doctor, the father works for a major drug company in France. 
> They
> tell a  very different story and are jealous of our system. Those 
> countries
> above us  have govt controlled systems and the govt. issuing stats. For
> example, do you  know we are one of the only countries that includes 
> abortion as
> infant  mortality. take that alone off and we jump to the top. If a 
> patient
> checks into  a hospital with one of a number of life threatening
> conditions, the hospital  does not have to count his death against the 
> hospital
> statistics. What my French  friends told me is that simple math will tell 
> you that
> either hundreds of  thousands of Frenchmen disappear off the planet every
> year, or the mortality  rate is way wrong. If you are diagnosed with 
> breast
> cancer in France you are 5  times more likely to die from it, same for
> Prostate Cancer. Heart problems are  even more skewed. People don't leave 
> the US
> in droves to seek surgery in  canada or europe, but check the number of
> canadians and europeans coming here  for medical treatment. A head injury 
> if
> thought minor gets a cat scan in 5  weeks, if death is likely, 5 
> days...... we
> get one in hours here. Stats should  never be blindly believed.
>
> Drew
>
>
> In a message dated 7/24/2009 12:12:24 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> mmcharry AT gmail.com writes:
>
> There  are many criteria, and a rating is given for each. Two of the
> major ones  used by the WHO are infant mortality and healthy  life
> expectancy.
>
> Marie
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