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[Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>]

The Right to Live to me simply means someone else doesn't have the right to 
kill you.  
Hence, the laws against and penalties for the various degrees of murder.  
 
The Right to Live however, does not guarantee that you won't die of disease, 
accident or even murder.
 

Now as to insurance,,, you have the right to enter into a contract with an 
insurance company,,,, and the terms of that contract rule.  My biggest 
complaint about that is you don't get to see the fine print until after you 
hand over the money.  You just get to see the bullet sales points of the 
policy.
 
You also have the right to choose NOT enter into a contract with an insurance 
company.  A lot of people choose not to buy health insurance because they 
can't afford it, dont' want it, or feel they shouldn't have to pay for it.  
Then they also complain when they don't have it for whatever reason and then 
want their health care but don't want to pay for it either.
 
As to the acne example.  Was it specified that reporting that med was a 
requirement of the contract?  If so, they have a point - like it or not.  It 
isn't their fault the person took a drug at age 14, and apparently is one of 
those excluded items.  It isn't their fault the person chose to purchase a 
policy (themselves or thru their employer, which employees do not have to 
accept), that excluded coverage of a condition related to that drug.
 
If however, this is not in the fine print at the time the policy was 
purchased, or as later amended, the person that took the drug has a point of 
action (or their heirs).
 
If it was in the contract, sounds like a class action floating around out 
there somewhere that shows that drug causes cancer, hence a case against the 
drug co.
 
 
I really think that people don't understand that insurance is a contract, and 
that the fine print needs to be read.  (Not only on health, but cars, homes, 
etc).  The most effective way to stop the b.s. would be for everyone to GO ON 
STRIKE and drop their health insurance policies.... you'd see real health 
care reform instantly.  
 
 
 

--- On Fri, 7/24/09, Marie McHarry <mmcharry AT gmail.com> wrote:


From: Marie McHarry <mmcharry AT gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Has anyone heard about this?
To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Friday, July 24, 2009, 12:20 AM


On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Leslie<cayadopi AT yahoo.com> wrote:
> I'm still reading the USConstitution and Bill of Rights, and I still 
> haven't found a clause that says that all or any Americans are entitled to 
> health care.  I did find the right to pursuit liberty, life and happiness 
> section.

Benjamin Rush wanted to put it in there, but he was over ruled.


The Declaration of Independence talks about "life, liberty and the
pursuit of happiness." You don't have much of any of those if you're
dead because your insurance company finds that you didn't report an
antibiotic that you took for acne when you were 14 and cancels your
insurance when you get a cancer diagnosis, just for example.

Marie
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From: "Lynda" <lurine AT com-pair.net>

> The man traveled out of the country to write his book.  On the foreign
> relations committed he visited visited Russia, Ukraine, and Azerbaijan in
> Asia; Iraq, Israel, Jordan, Kuwait, and the Palestinian Territories in the
> Middle East; and Chad, Djibouti, Ethiopia, Kenya, and South Africa in
> Africa.
>
> To get a U.S. passport at that time he would have needed a birth
> certificate.  All that traveling was done prior to 2007.  So why does he
> suddenly produce a birth certificate dated 2007?


Good question. The same could be asked of me...I just had to get a new copy
a couple of years ago because I couldn't find the one I had. I hadn't used
it in years (you can get a new passport using the old passport, so don't
need a birth certificate once you are 'in the system').  My only excuse is
"stuff gets lost", but you'd think, him being more important, he would keep
track of things like a birth certificate..

Lynn Wigglesworth
Tioga Co. PA