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[william Eggers <wce1482 AT yahoo.com>]

James, I read your letter to Bob about real homesteaders vs hobby 
homesteaders.  If I am right in thinking that you consider yourself a real 
homesteader and therefore have no outside sorce of income but get all your 
living from your farm, my hats off to you.  You are very rare and most of 
those who are trying to homestead have some other source of income than just 
the income from the farm.  You are indeed unique.

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From: Clansgian AT wmconnect.com <Clansgian AT wmconnect.com>
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Go ld -- feel free to ignore
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Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 8:42 PM

> >City people think Country people are dumb, uneducated, easily
manipulated 
> hicks.  Ruralites think that people living in the city are weak , soft, 
> p*ssies.  Both views are naiive. 

Many of us have lived in cities and very large cities at that.  No matter how 
fit someone thinks they are because of a few rounds of handball or thrice 
visits to gym, they cannot endure the rigors of continuous physical work 
unless

the slowly condition to it.

City popinjays  have come here and wanted to try their hand at the bucksaw at 
the wood pile.  Young, strapping, seemingly fit people and after ten minutes 
they can hardly breathe or move.  And yet we keep it up for two hours at a 
time with hardly a pause.  I'll never forget the look on one visitor's
face when 
the (then) 9 year old daugher hoisted up the 50 lb sack of corn and carried 
it 
uphill to the barn.  Or when Herself told me to fetch some more cabbage and 
when I said I'd go off to the garden and get some, the remark was "You
don't 
mean you are going to WALK there??!!"  Sure it's the equivalent of six
blocks 
away and on he way from the garden back to the house you will be 100 feet
higher 
than when you started, we don't think anything of it and make the walk as 
many as twenty times in a day.

No, our opinion that the city dweller is quite the marshmallow compared to 
small farm worker is quite well founded.  The belief that there is not much 
difference is what is naive.


James
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I am at a loss also.
 
To me, homesteading, a term I hadn't even heard of until the last week or so, 
is providing for yourself off your own land as much as possible, and for that 
which you can not provide for yourself do to an inability to produce it, or 
physical limitations, producing extra of what you can in order to trade with 
someone for the balance of what you can not produce yourself.  Trading may 
involve either some form or barter with the neighbors (the way the neighbors 
did and still do where I was in Wisconsin), or obtaining some type of 
currency to trade with outsiders who won't or can't accept barter (i.e. the 
government for taxes on land).
 
I find a lot of the conversations have been unproductive and discouraging, 
instead of ENcouraging.  
 
It would be more encouraging to help people become as self-sufficient as is 
possible within their own means, instead of discouraging people by saying it 
is too hard or too late.  
 
It has been fun reading along and reading some of the thought provoking 
statements, but it  has come time to say adios.
 
Thanks for the tips.  But personally I need to read "you can do it", not a 
bunch of "you can't do it because you aren't doing it my way", or you can't 
do it because it is too hard" type emails.
 
I already know how hard it is to shovel 4 yards of manure by hand from a 
field, haul it home and then spread it by hand with a shovel. I already know 
difficulties of crop yields, food storage, natural disaster.   If I was a 
newcomer here and didn't already know that, or anything else I learned over 
the years, I would never even attempt it after reading some of the posts here.
 
Thanks for the tips, but it is time to move on. 
 
Leslie
 


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Date: Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 9:25 PM

I guess I am at a loss.  I thought homesteading involved farming and I bet a
lot of the other members of this group did too.  I guess I need you to tell me
what homesteading does involve.  I am really mistified.

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Date: Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 7:41 PM

> >  I think you are kind of arrogant to think that you are the only one
who 
> knows how to homestead.  By the way, most of homesteading is farming. in
case 
> you didn't know.  
> 

And I think you are rather arrogant to tell the people on this list with more 
combined homesteading experience than you have birthdays that they should be 
ignored because you know as much or more than they do.   By the way, 
homesteading and farming as you have described it have little to do with one
another.

James
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Date: Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 9:35 PM






Leslie, I hate to see you go and I hope that nothing I said was the cause.  
Sometimes I get wrapped up in what I am doing and forget where I am going.  
So, don't go.

--- On Tue, 12/9/08, Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com> wrote:

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Date: Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 9:25 PM

I am at a loss also.
 
To me, homesteading, a term I hadn't even heard of until the last week or
so, is providing for yourself off your own land as much as possible, and for
that which you can not provide for yourself do to an inability to produce it, 
or
physical limitations, producing extra of what you can in order to trade with
someone for the balance of what you can not produce yourself.  Trading may
involve either some form or barter with the neighbors (the way the neighbors 
did
and still do where I was in Wisconsin), or obtaining some type of currency to
trade with outsiders who won't or can't accept barter (i.e. the
government for taxes on land).
 
I find a lot of the conversations have been unproductive and discouraging,
instead of ENcouraging.  
 
It would be more encouraging to help people become as self-sufficient as is
possible within their own means, instead of discouraging people by saying it 
is
too hard or too late.  
 
It has been fun reading along and reading some of the thought provoking
statements, but it  has come time to say adios.
 
Thanks for the tips.  But personally I need to read "you can do it",
not a bunch of "you can't do it because you aren't doing it my
way", or you can't do it because it is too hard" type emails.
 
I already know how hard it is to shovel 4 yards of manure by hand from a 
field,
haul it home and then spread it by hand with a shovel. I already know
difficulties of crop yields, food storage, natural disaster.   If I was a
newcomer here and didn't already know that, or anything else I learned over
the years, I would never even attempt it after reading some of the posts here.
 
Thanks for the tips, but it is time to move on. 
 
Leslie
 


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Date: Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 9:25 PM

I guess I am at a loss.  I thought homesteading involved farming and I bet a
lot of the other members of this group did too.  I guess I need you to tell me
what homesteading does involve.  I am really mistified.

--- On Tue, 12/9/08, Clansgian AT wmconnect.com <Clansgian AT wmconnect.com>
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Date: Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 7:41 PM

> >  I think you are kind of arrogant to think that you are the only one
who 
> knows how to homestead.  By the way, most of homesteading is farming. in
case 
> you didn't know.  
> 

And I think you are rather arrogant to tell the people on this list with more 
combined homesteading experience than you have birthdays that they should be 
ignored because you know as much or more than they do.   By the way, 
homesteading and farming as you have described it have little to do with one
another.

James
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> > I am really mistified.
>

No you're not.  You are pulling the old 'let me feign being mystified ploy'.

OK, none the less, I'll bite.


Soooo... you've milked 20 cows.  You know, I once (in my misspent youth)
worked for a place that cooked 200 chickens at at time.  Does that mean I have
this keen insight into how one cooks ONE chicken for dinner.  No.  In fact 
quite
the opposite.  I worked jockying a server that supported 600 computers.  Does
that mean I have this accelerated experience in keeping a farmstead
spreadsheet on ONE computer.  No, in fact just the opposite.

Last year we raised two pigs.  We fed them mainly milk.  Also the clan went
about the forest and gathered acorns and lichen to feed them.  When one of 
them
got sick, one of the chidren hand fed the pig garlic and raspberry leaves
until it was better.  Someone who has raised hogs on a "farm" has absolutly no
clue as to what is involved in raising a homestead pig.

Back to the cow milking thing.  The cow we are milking has not been freshened
in six years (she's in a family way now).  On the dairy farm, what has been
your experience in milking and maintaining production of a cow six years away
from freshening??

It was about twelve degrees here a few nights ago.  We had chard, radishes,
kale, tsa-tsoi, leeks, mizuna, lettuce, and collards growing in the garden.  
In
you farming experience, which survived??

Some potatoes are still in the ground.  They are the normal depth for hand
cultivation and there was 1" of snowfall on them.  According to "farming"
methods, how deep do the tubers have to be to escape frost?

Farming is a fine thing.  Some homesteaders earn their cash by farming,
several on this list do.  But farming has nothing whatever to do with 
homesteading
just as being a restauranteur has nothing to do with running a homestead
kitchen and putting an edge on the homestead axe has nothing to do with 
running a
machine shop.


James