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James wrote: <<<<the important one ... the mega agribusiness farms are
all doomed.>>>
A couple questinos: do you have an estimated time frame for that, and what
do you see that would cause their failures?
<<<,What the masses face is institutional housing, institutional food, an
urban
shadow existence of what we have now but with very, very diminished
resourcesWhat the masses face is institutional housing, institutional food,
an urban
shadow existence of what we have now but with very, very diminished
resources.>>>>
Do you mean some form of statist society?
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--- On Mon, 12/8/08, Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> It's a lot cooler here than in your area (Phoenix?) I
> only used my A/C 10 days over the summer (when it got over
> 100), and used a portable swamp cooler for about 10 days.
> I've been heating up to 41-45, and just put a sweatshirt
> on. I'm doing this on purpose to make sure that
> survival is possible without heat or very little heat. My
> fuel consumption is low - from March 08 - Dec any day now,
> I've only used one tall RV sized bottle of LP for my
> cooking/heating needs. Same with my electric, very low
> use. There are solar powered fridge/freezers
> available, pricey, but not a bad idea. Solar water heat
> is no problem here... LOL, until the winter.
****** The above sounds like you are preparing in a smart way. If you can
live without the pricier appliances, the rule is 'the simpler, the
better'
>
> Hey, did you read the blip on Argentina basically seizing
> pension plans a few weeks back (equivalent of IRA, 401(k),
> etc).... I had read years ago that governments would resort
> to that citing "in the national interest" type
> stuff.
******* Yes I did. And, at one time Argentina was considered a great
success.
I have followed the travails, on the internet , of a man who lived through
their
first collapse. He has written about the crime, the gov't oppression;
because of his experiences, and the fact that a cache of gold helped him to
survive and to get out of the country and have the means to start a new life,
makes him sort of a gold bug
> I even talked to a few other people I know from all over
> the country to see if they were interested in moving to an
> area together and working together. No takers, yet....so
> it is going to be tough alone. Some people I talk to
> don't even consider that there could be food shortages,
> etc. just over the horizon.
****** You are alone ?; I thought you had moved there with family or it was
family land. Sometimes it is difficult for me to keep up with and remeber
people's backgrounds and situations. There are many strong women on this
list who may be able to advise you. As far as the "community" idea,
give it more time, If that is what you want, other people have done it
successfully.
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> --- On Mon, 12/8/08, bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> wrote:
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> From: bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Go ld -- feel free to ignore
> To: cayadopi AT yahoo.com, homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 10:01 PM
>
> --- On Mon, 12/8/08, Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> > Monied citizens have already been leaving, for the
> past year or so, have
> been getting their $ out of the country. One big money
> manager for an extremely
> wealthy European, who had been in US for years, moved
> operation to Dubai last
> summer. They were going to go to UK and changed
> > mid-stream.
>
>
> Events are occuring and changing so quickly , it is like a
> whipsaw to plan. I
> have an acquaintance who months ago was talking of
> relocating to Spain for
> several years. Events in Europe changed his mind, but the
> subsequent fall in
> the Euro , again, changed his plans to a definite move to
> Europe. He just
> returned from a visit; I'm going to see him maybe this
> weekend. I have no
> intentions of leaving this country. I already wanted to
> homestead in an
> isolated rural area of the U.S., before this calamity.
> But, I am curious to the
> different ways that people intend to ride out these
> events..............................................................
>
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--- On Mon, 12/8/08, bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com> wrote:
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--------------------------------------------------------------------
--- On Mon, 12/8/08, Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> It's a lot cooler here than in your area (Phoenix?) I
> only used my A/C 10 days over the summer (when it got over
> 100), and used a portable swamp cooler for about 10 days.
> I've been heating up to 41-45, and just put a sweatshirt
> on. I'm doing this on purpose to make sure that
> survival is possible without heat or very little heat. My
> fuel consumption is low - from March 08 - Dec any day now,
> I've only used one tall RV sized bottle of LP for my
> cooking/heating needs. Same with my electric, very low
> use. There are solar powered fridge/freezers
> available, pricey, but not a bad idea. Solar water heat
> is no problem here... LOL, until the winter.
****** The above sounds like you are preparing in a smart way. If you can
live without the pricier appliances, the rule is 'the simpler, the
better'
>
> Hey, did you read the blip on Argentina basically seizing
> pension plans a few weeks back (equivalent of IRA, 401(k),
> etc).... I had read years ago that governments would resort
> to that citing "in the national interest" type
> stuff.
******* Yes I did. And, at one time Argentina was considered a great
success.
I have followed the travails, on the internet , of a man who lived through
their
first collapse. He has written about the crime, the gov't oppression;
because of his experiences, and the fact that a cache of gold helped him to
survive and to get out of the country and have the means to start a new life,
makes him sort of a gold bug
> I even talked to a few other people I know from all over
> the country to see if they were interested in moving to an
> area together and working together. No takers, yet....so
> it is going to be tough alone. Some people I talk to
> don't even consider that there could be food shortages,
> etc. just over the horizon.
****** You are alone ?; I thought you had moved there with family or it was
family land. Sometimes it is difficult for me to keep up with and remeber
people's backgrounds and situations. There are many strong women on this
list who may be able to advise you. As far as the "community" idea,
give it more time, If that is what you want, other people have done it
successfully.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> --- On Mon, 12/8/08, bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> From: bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Go ld -- feel free to ignore
> To: cayadopi AT yahoo.com, homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 10:01 PM
>
> --- On Mon, 12/8/08, Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> > Monied citizens have already been leaving, for the
> past year or so, have
> been getting their $ out of the country. One big money
> manager for an extremely
> wealthy European, who had been in US for years, moved
> operation to Dubai last
> summer. They were going to go to UK and changed
> > mid-stream.
>
>
> Events are occuring and changing so quickly , it is like a
> whipsaw to plan. I
> have an acquaintance who months ago was talking of
> relocating to Spain for
> several years. Events in Europe changed his mind, but the
> subsequent fall in
> the Euro , again, changed his plans to a definite move to
> Europe. He just
> returned from a visit; I'm going to see him maybe this
> weekend. I have no
> intentions of leaving this country. I already wanted to
> homestead in an
> isolated rural area of the U.S., before this calamity.
> But, I am curious to the
> different ways that people intend to ride out these
> events..............................................................
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--- On Mon, 12/8/08, Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> It's a lot cooler here than in your area (Phoenix?) I
> only used my A/C 10 days over the summer (when it got over
> 100), and used a portable swamp cooler for about 10 days.
> I've been heating up to 41-45, and just put a sweatshirt
> on. I'm doing this on purpose to make sure that
> survival is possible without heat or very little heat. My
> fuel consumption is low - from March 08 - Dec any day now,
> I've only used one tall RV sized bottle of LP for my
> cooking/heating needs. Same with my electric, very low
> use. There are solar powered fridge/freezers
> available, pricey, but not a bad idea. Solar water heat
> is no problem here... LOL, until the winter.
****** The above sounds like you are preparing in a smart way. If you can
live without the pricier appliances, the rule is 'the simpler, the
better'
>
> Hey, did you read the blip on Argentina basically seizing
> pension plans a few weeks back (equivalent of IRA, 401(k),
> etc).... I had read years ago that governments would resort
> to that citing "in the national interest" type
> stuff.
******* Yes I did. And, at one time Argentina was considered a great
success.
I have followed the travails, on the internet , of a man who lived through
their
first collapse. He has written about the crime, the gov't oppression;
because of his experiences, and the fact that a cache of gold helped him to
survive and to get out of the country and have the means to start a new life,
makes him sort of a gold bug
> I even talked to a few other people I know from all over
> the country to see if they were interested in moving to an
> area together and working together. No takers, yet....so
> it is going to be tough alone. Some people I talk to
> don't even consider that there could be food shortages,
> etc. just over the horizon.
****** You are alone ?; I thought you had moved there with family or it was
family land. Sometimes it is difficult for me to keep up with and remeber
people's backgrounds and situations. There are many strong women on this
list who may be able to advise you. As far as the "community" idea,
give it more time, If that is what you want, other people have done it
successfully.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> --- On Mon, 12/8/08, bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> From: bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Go ld -- feel free to ignore
> To: cayadopi AT yahoo.com, homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 10:01 PM
>
> --- On Mon, 12/8/08, Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> > Monied citizens have already been leaving, for the
> past year or so, have
> been getting their $ out of the country. One big money
> manager for an extremely
> wealthy European, who had been in US for years, moved
> operation to Dubai last
> summer. They were going to go to UK and changed
> > mid-stream.
>
>
> Events are occuring and changing so quickly , it is like a
> whipsaw to plan. I
> have an acquaintance who months ago was talking of
> relocating to Spain for
> several years. Events in Europe changed his mind, but the
> subsequent fall in
> the Euro , again, changed his plans to a definite move to
> Europe. He just
> returned from a visit; I'm going to see him maybe this
> weekend. I have no
> intentions of leaving this country. I already wanted to
> homestead in an
> isolated rural area of the U.S., before this calamity.
> But, I am curious to the
> different ways that people intend to ride out these
> events..............................................................
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--- On Mon, 12/8/08, bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com> wrote:
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Subject: Re: [Homestead] Go ld -- feel free to ignore
To: cayadopi AT yahoo.com, homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 11:00 PM
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--------------------------------------------------------------------
--- On Mon, 12/8/08, Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> It's a lot cooler here than in your area (Phoenix?) I
> only used my A/C 10 days over the summer (when it got over
> 100), and used a portable swamp cooler for about 10 days.
> I've been heating up to 41-45, and just put a sweatshirt
> on. I'm doing this on purpose to make sure that
> survival is possible without heat or very little heat. My
> fuel consumption is low - from March 08 - Dec any day now,
> I've only used one tall RV sized bottle of LP for my
> cooking/heating needs. Same with my electric, very low
> use. There are solar powered fridge/freezers
> available, pricey, but not a bad idea. Solar water heat
> is no problem here... LOL, until the winter.
****** The above sounds like you are preparing in a smart way. If you can
live without the pricier appliances, the rule is 'the simpler, the
better'
>
> Hey, did you read the blip on Argentina basically seizing
> pension plans a few weeks back (equivalent of IRA, 401(k),
> etc).... I had read years ago that governments would resort
> to that citing "in the national interest" type
> stuff.
******* Yes I did. And, at one time Argentina was considered a great
success.
I have followed the travails, on the internet , of a man who lived through
their
first collapse. He has written about the crime, the gov't oppression;
because of his experiences, and the fact that a cache of gold helped him to
survive and to get out of the country and have the means to start a new life,
makes him sort of a gold bug
> I even talked to a few other people I know from all over
> the country to see if they were interested in moving to an
> area together and working together. No takers, yet....so
> it is going to be tough alone. Some people I talk to
> don't even consider that there could be food shortages,
> etc. just over the horizon.
****** You are alone ?; I thought you had moved there with family or it was
family land. Sometimes it is difficult for me to keep up with and remeber
people's backgrounds and situations. There are many strong women on this
list who may be able to advise you. As far as the "community" idea,
give it more time, If that is what you want, other people have done it
successfully.
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>
>
> --- On Mon, 12/8/08, bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> From: bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Go ld -- feel free to ignore
> To: cayadopi AT yahoo.com, homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 10:01 PM
>
> --- On Mon, 12/8/08, Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> > Monied citizens have already been leaving, for the
> past year or so, have
> been getting their $ out of the country. One big money
> manager for an extremely
> wealthy European, who had been in US for years, moved
> operation to Dubai last
> summer. They were going to go to UK and changed
> > mid-stream.
>
>
> Events are occuring and changing so quickly , it is like a
> whipsaw to plan. I
> have an acquaintance who months ago was talking of
> relocating to Spain for
> several years. Events in Europe changed his mind, but the
> subsequent fall in
> the Euro , again, changed his plans to a definite move to
> Europe. He just
> returned from a visit; I'm going to see him maybe this
> weekend. I have no
> intentions of leaving this country. I already wanted to
> homestead in an
> isolated rural area of the U.S., before this calamity.
> But, I am curious to the
> different ways that people intend to ride out these
> events..............................................................
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--- On Mon, 12/8/08, bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com> wrote:
From: bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Go ld -- feel free to ignore
To: cayadopi AT yahoo.com, homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 11:00 PM
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--------------------------------------------------------------------
--- On Mon, 12/8/08, Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> It's a lot cooler here than in your area (Phoenix?) I
> only used my A/C 10 days over the summer (when it got over
> 100), and used a portable swamp cooler for about 10 days.
> I've been heating up to 41-45, and just put a sweatshirt
> on. I'm doing this on purpose to make sure that
> survival is possible without heat or very little heat. My
> fuel consumption is low - from March 08 - Dec any day now,
> I've only used one tall RV sized bottle of LP for my
> cooking/heating needs. Same with my electric, very low
> use. There are solar powered fridge/freezers
> available, pricey, but not a bad idea. Solar water heat
> is no problem here... LOL, until the winter.
****** The above sounds like you are preparing in a smart way. If you can
live without the pricier appliances, the rule is 'the simpler, the
better'
>
> Hey, did you read the blip on Argentina basically seizing
> pension plans a few weeks back (equivalent of IRA, 401(k),
> etc).... I had read years ago that governments would resort
> to that citing "in the national interest" type
> stuff.
******* Yes I did. And, at one time Argentina was considered a great
success.
I have followed the travails, on the internet , of a man who lived through
their
first collapse. He has written about the crime, the gov't oppression;
because of his experiences, and the fact that a cache of gold helped him to
survive and to get out of the country and have the means to start a new life,
makes him sort of a gold bug
> I even talked to a few other people I know from all over
> the country to see if they were interested in moving to an
> area together and working together. No takers, yet....so
> it is going to be tough alone. Some people I talk to
> don't even consider that there could be food shortages,
> etc. just over the horizon.
****** You are alone ?; I thought you had moved there with family or it was
family land. Sometimes it is difficult for me to keep up with and remeber
people's backgrounds and situations. There are many strong women on this
list who may be able to advise you. As far as the "community" idea,
give it more time, If that is what you want, other people have done it
successfully.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> --- On Mon, 12/8/08, bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> From: bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Go ld -- feel free to ignore
> To: cayadopi AT yahoo.com, homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 10:01 PM
>
> --- On Mon, 12/8/08, Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> > Monied citizens have already been leaving, for the
> past year or so, have
> been getting their $ out of the country. One big money
> manager for an extremely
> wealthy European, who had been in US for years, moved
> operation to Dubai last
> summer. They were going to go to UK and changed
> > mid-stream.
>
>
> Events are occuring and changing so quickly , it is like a
> whipsaw to plan. I
> have an acquaintance who months ago was talking of
> relocating to Spain for
> several years. Events in Europe changed his mind, but the
> subsequent fall in
> the Euro , again, changed his plans to a definite move to
> Europe. He just
> returned from a visit; I'm going to see him maybe this
> weekend. I have no
> intentions of leaving this country. I already wanted to
> homestead in an
> isolated rural area of the U.S., before this calamity.
> But, I am curious to the
> different ways that people intend to ride out these
> events..............................................................
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--- On Mon, 12/8/08, bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com> wrote:
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Subject: Re: [Homestead] Go ld -- feel free to ignore
To: cayadopi AT yahoo.com, homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 11:00 PM
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--------------------------------------------------------------------
--- On Mon, 12/8/08, Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> It's a lot cooler here than in your area (Phoenix?) I
> only used my A/C 10 days over the summer (when it got over
> 100), and used a portable swamp cooler for about 10 days.
> I've been heating up to 41-45, and just put a sweatshirt
> on. I'm doing this on purpose to make sure that
> survival is possible without heat or very little heat. My
> fuel consumption is low - from March 08 - Dec any day now,
> I've only used one tall RV sized bottle of LP for my
> cooking/heating needs. Same with my electric, very low
> use. There are solar powered fridge/freezers
> available, pricey, but not a bad idea. Solar water heat
> is no problem here... LOL, until the winter.
****** The above sounds like you are preparing in a smart way. If you can
live without the pricier appliances, the rule is 'the simpler, the
better'
>
> Hey, did you read the blip on Argentina basically seizing
> pension plans a few weeks back (equivalent of IRA, 401(k),
> etc).... I had read years ago that governments would resort
> to that citing "in the national interest" type
> stuff.
******* Yes I did. And, at one time Argentina was considered a great
success.
I have followed the travails, on the internet , of a man who lived through
their
first collapse. He has written about the crime, the gov't oppression;
because of his experiences, and the fact that a cache of gold helped him to
survive and to get out of the country and have the means to start a new life,
makes him sort of a gold bug
> I even talked to a few other people I know from all over
> the country to see if they were interested in moving to an
> area together and working together. No takers, yet....so
> it is going to be tough alone. Some people I talk to
> don't even consider that there could be food shortages,
> etc. just over the horizon.
****** You are alone ?; I thought you had moved there with family or it was
family land. Sometimes it is difficult for me to keep up with and remeber
people's backgrounds and situations. There are many strong women on this
list who may be able to advise you. As far as the "community" idea,
give it more time, If that is what you want, other people have done it
successfully.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> --- On Mon, 12/8/08, bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> From: bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Go ld -- feel free to ignore
> To: cayadopi AT yahoo.com, homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 10:01 PM
>
> --- On Mon, 12/8/08, Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> > Monied citizens have already been leaving, for the
> past year or so, have
> been getting their $ out of the country. One big money
> manager for an extremely
> wealthy European, who had been in US for years, moved
> operation to Dubai last
> summer. They were going to go to UK and changed
> > mid-stream.
>
>
> Events are occuring and changing so quickly , it is like a
> whipsaw to plan. I
> have an acquaintance who months ago was talking of
> relocating to Spain for
> several years. Events in Europe changed his mind, but the
> subsequent fall in
> the Euro , again, changed his plans to a definite move to
> Europe. He just
> returned from a visit; I'm going to see him maybe this
> weekend. I have no
> intentions of leaving this country. I already wanted to
> homestead in an
> isolated rural area of the U.S., before this calamity.
> But, I am curious to the
> different ways that people intend to ride out these
> events..............................................................
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--------------------------------------------------------------------
--- On Mon, 12/8/08, Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> It's a lot cooler here than in your area (Phoenix?) I
> only used my A/C 10 days over the summer (when it got over
> 100), and used a portable swamp cooler for about 10 days.
> I've been heating up to 41-45, and just put a sweatshirt
> on. I'm doing this on purpose to make sure that
> survival is possible without heat or very little heat. My
> fuel consumption is low - from March 08 - Dec any day now,
> I've only used one tall RV sized bottle of LP for my
> cooking/heating needs. Same with my electric, very low
> use. There are solar powered fridge/freezers
> available, pricey, but not a bad idea. Solar water heat
> is no problem here... LOL, until the winter.
****** The above sounds like you are preparing in a smart way. If you can
live without the pricier appliances, the rule is 'the simpler, the
better'
>
> Hey, did you read the blip on Argentina basically seizing
> pension plans a few weeks back (equivalent of IRA, 401(k),
> etc).... I had read years ago that governments would resort
> to that citing "in the national interest" type
> stuff.
******* Yes I did. And, at one time Argentina was considered a great
success.
I have followed the travails, on the internet , of a man who lived through
their
first collapse. He has written about the crime, the gov't oppression;
because of his experiences, and the fact that a cache of gold helped him to
survive and to get out of the country and have the means to start a new life,
makes him sort of a gold bug
> I even talked to a few other people I know from all over
> the country to see if they were interested in moving to an
> area together and working together. No takers, yet....so
> it is going to be tough alone. Some people I talk to
> don't even consider that there could be food shortages,
> etc. just over the horizon.
****** You are alone ?; I thought you had moved there with family or it was
family land. Sometimes it is difficult for me to keep up with and remeber
people's backgrounds and situations. There are many strong women on this
list who may be able to advise you. As far as the "community" idea,
give it more time, If that is what you want, other people have done it
successfully.
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>
>
> --- On Mon, 12/8/08, bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> From: bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Go ld -- feel free to ignore
> To: cayadopi AT yahoo.com, homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 10:01 PM
>
> --- On Mon, 12/8/08, Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> > Monied citizens have already been leaving, for the
> past year or so, have
> been getting their $ out of the country. One big money
> manager for an extremely
> wealthy European, who had been in US for years, moved
> operation to Dubai last
> summer. They were going to go to UK and changed
> > mid-stream.
>
>
> Events are occuring and changing so quickly , it is like a
> whipsaw to plan. I
> have an acquaintance who months ago was talking of
> relocating to Spain for
> several years. Events in Europe changed his mind, but the
> subsequent fall in
> the Euro , again, changed his plans to a definite move to
> Europe. He just
> returned from a visit; I'm going to see him maybe this
> weekend. I have no
> intentions of leaving this country. I already wanted to
> homestead in an
> isolated rural area of the U.S., before this calamity.
> But, I am curious to the
> different ways that people intend to ride out these
> events..............................................................
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>
>
>
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>
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--- On Mon, 12/8/08, bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com> wrote:
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Subject: Re: [Homestead] Go ld -- feel free to ignore
To: cayadopi AT yahoo.com, homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
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--------------------------------------------------------------------
--- On Mon, 12/8/08, Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> It's a lot cooler here than in your area (Phoenix?) I
> only used my A/C 10 days over the summer (when it got over
> 100), and used a portable swamp cooler for about 10 days.
> I've been heating up to 41-45, and just put a sweatshirt
> on. I'm doing this on purpose to make sure that
> survival is possible without heat or very little heat. My
> fuel consumption is low - from March 08 - Dec any day now,
> I've only used one tall RV sized bottle of LP for my
> cooking/heating needs. Same with my electric, very low
> use. There are solar powered fridge/freezers
> available, pricey, but not a bad idea. Solar water heat
> is no problem here... LOL, until the winter.
****** The above sounds like you are preparing in a smart way. If you can
live without the pricier appliances, the rule is 'the simpler, the
better'
>
> Hey, did you read the blip on Argentina basically seizing
> pension plans a few weeks back (equivalent of IRA, 401(k),
> etc).... I had read years ago that governments would resort
> to that citing "in the national interest" type
> stuff.
******* Yes I did. And, at one time Argentina was considered a great
success.
I have followed the travails, on the internet , of a man who lived through
their
first collapse. He has written about the crime, the gov't oppression;
because of his experiences, and the fact that a cache of gold helped him to
survive and to get out of the country and have the means to start a new life,
makes him sort of a gold bug
> I even talked to a few other people I know from all over
> the country to see if they were interested in moving to an
> area together and working together. No takers, yet....so
> it is going to be tough alone. Some people I talk to
> don't even consider that there could be food shortages,
> etc. just over the horizon.
****** You are alone ?; I thought you had moved there with family or it was
family land. Sometimes it is difficult for me to keep up with and remeber
people's backgrounds and situations. There are many strong women on this
list who may be able to advise you. As far as the "community" idea,
give it more time, If that is what you want, other people have done it
successfully.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> --- On Mon, 12/8/08, bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> From: bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Go ld -- feel free to ignore
> To: cayadopi AT yahoo.com, homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 10:01 PM
>
> --- On Mon, 12/8/08, Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> > Monied citizens have already been leaving, for the
> past year or so, have
> been getting their $ out of the country. One big money
> manager for an extremely
> wealthy European, who had been in US for years, moved
> operation to Dubai last
> summer. They were going to go to UK and changed
> > mid-stream.
>
>
> Events are occuring and changing so quickly , it is like a
> whipsaw to plan. I
> have an acquaintance who months ago was talking of
> relocating to Spain for
> several years. Events in Europe changed his mind, but the
> subsequent fall in
> the Euro , again, changed his plans to a definite move to
> Europe. He just
> returned from a visit; I'm going to see him maybe this
> weekend. I have no
> intentions of leaving this country. I already wanted to
> homestead in an
> isolated rural area of the U.S., before this calamity.
> But, I am curious to the
> different ways that people intend to ride out these
> events..............................................................
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--------------------------------------------------------------------
--- On Mon, 12/8/08, Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> It's a lot cooler here than in your area (Phoenix?) I
> only used my A/C 10 days over the summer (when it got over
> 100), and used a portable swamp cooler for about 10 days.
> I've been heating up to 41-45, and just put a sweatshirt
> on. I'm doing this on purpose to make sure that
> survival is possible without heat or very little heat. My
> fuel consumption is low - from March 08 - Dec any day now,
> I've only used one tall RV sized bottle of LP for my
> cooking/heating needs. Same with my electric, very low
> use. There are solar powered fridge/freezers
> available, pricey, but not a bad idea. Solar water heat
> is no problem here... LOL, until the winter.
****** The above sounds like you are preparing in a smart way. If you can
live without the pricier appliances, the rule is 'the simpler, the
better'
>
> Hey, did you read the blip on Argentina basically seizing
> pension plans a few weeks back (equivalent of IRA, 401(k),
> etc).... I had read years ago that governments would resort
> to that citing "in the national interest" type
> stuff.
******* Yes I did. And, at one time Argentina was considered a great
success.
I have followed the travails, on the internet , of a man who lived through
their
first collapse. He has written about the crime, the gov't oppression;
because of his experiences, and the fact that a cache of gold helped him to
survive and to get out of the country and have the means to start a new life,
makes him sort of a gold bug
> I even talked to a few other people I know from all over
> the country to see if they were interested in moving to an
> area together and working together. No takers, yet....so
> it is going to be tough alone. Some people I talk to
> don't even consider that there could be food shortages,
> etc. just over the horizon.
****** You are alone ?; I thought you had moved there with family or it was
family land. Sometimes it is difficult for me to keep up with and remeber
people's backgrounds and situations. There are many strong women on this
list who may be able to advise you. As far as the "community" idea,
give it more time, If that is what you want, other people have done it
successfully.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> --- On Mon, 12/8/08, bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> From: bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Go ld -- feel free to ignore
> To: cayadopi AT yahoo.com, homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 10:01 PM
>
> --- On Mon, 12/8/08, Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> > Monied citizens have already been leaving, for the
> past year or so, have
> been getting their $ out of the country. One big money
> manager for an extremely
> wealthy European, who had been in US for years, moved
> operation to Dubai last
> summer. They were going to go to UK and changed
> > mid-stream.
>
>
> Events are occuring and changing so quickly , it is like a
> whipsaw to plan. I
> have an acquaintance who months ago was talking of
> relocating to Spain for
> several years. Events in Europe changed his mind, but the
> subsequent fall in
> the Euro , again, changed his plans to a definite move to
> Europe. He just
> returned from a visit; I'm going to see him maybe this
> weekend. I have no
> intentions of leaving this country. I already wanted to
> homestead in an
> isolated rural area of the U.S., before this calamity.
> But, I am curious to the
> different ways that people intend to ride out these
> events..............................................................
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--- On Mon, 12/8/08, bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com> wrote:
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Subject: Re: [Homestead] Go ld -- feel free to ignore
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--------------------------------------------------------------------
--- On Mon, 12/8/08, Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> It's a lot cooler here than in your area (Phoenix?) I
> only used my A/C 10 days over the summer (when it got over
> 100), and used a portable swamp cooler for about 10 days.
> I've been heating up to 41-45, and just put a sweatshirt
> on. I'm doing this on purpose to make sure that
> survival is possible without heat or very little heat. My
> fuel consumption is low - from March 08 - Dec any day now,
> I've only used one tall RV sized bottle of LP for my
> cooking/heating needs. Same with my electric, very low
> use. There are solar powered fridge/freezers
> available, pricey, but not a bad idea. Solar water heat
> is no problem here... LOL, until the winter.
****** The above sounds like you are preparing in a smart way. If you can
live without the pricier appliances, the rule is 'the simpler, the
better'
>
> Hey, did you read the blip on Argentina basically seizing
> pension plans a few weeks back (equivalent of IRA, 401(k),
> etc).... I had read years ago that governments would resort
> to that citing "in the national interest" type
> stuff.
******* Yes I did. And, at one time Argentina was considered a great
success.
I have followed the travails, on the internet , of a man who lived through
their
first collapse. He has written about the crime, the gov't oppression;
because of his experiences, and the fact that a cache of gold helped him to
survive and to get out of the country and have the means to start a new life,
makes him sort of a gold bug
> I even talked to a few other people I know from all over
> the country to see if they were interested in moving to an
> area together and working together. No takers, yet....so
> it is going to be tough alone. Some people I talk to
> don't even consider that there could be food shortages,
> etc. just over the horizon.
****** You are alone ?; I thought you had moved there with family or it was
family land. Sometimes it is difficult for me to keep up with and remeber
people's backgrounds and situations. There are many strong women on this
list who may be able to advise you. As far as the "community" idea,
give it more time, If that is what you want, other people have done it
successfully.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> --- On Mon, 12/8/08, bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> From: bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Go ld -- feel free to ignore
> To: cayadopi AT yahoo.com, homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 10:01 PM
>
> --- On Mon, 12/8/08, Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> > Monied citizens have already been leaving, for the
> past year or so, have
> been getting their $ out of the country. One big money
> manager for an extremely
> wealthy European, who had been in US for years, moved
> operation to Dubai last
> summer. They were going to go to UK and changed
> > mid-stream.
>
>
> Events are occuring and changing so quickly , it is like a
> whipsaw to plan. I
> have an acquaintance who months ago was talking of
> relocating to Spain for
> several years. Events in Europe changed his mind, but the
> subsequent fall in
> the Euro , again, changed his plans to a definite move to
> Europe. He just
> returned from a visit; I'm going to see him maybe this
> weekend. I have no
> intentions of leaving this country. I already wanted to
> homestead in an
> isolated rural area of the U.S., before this calamity.
> But, I am curious to the
> different ways that people intend to ride out these
> events..............................................................
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Alone - I should have written that more
--- On Mon, 12/8/08, bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com> wrote:
From: bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Go ld -- feel free to ignore
To: cayadopi AT yahoo.com, homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 11:00 PM
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--------------------------------------------------------------------
--- On Mon, 12/8/08, Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> It's a lot cooler here than in your area (Phoenix?) I
> only used my A/C 10 days over the summer (when it got over
> 100), and used a portable swamp cooler for about 10 days.
> I've been heating up to 41-45, and just put a sweatshirt
> on. I'm doing this on purpose to make sure that
> survival is possible without heat or very little heat. My
> fuel consumption is low - from March 08 - Dec any day now,
> I've only used one tall RV sized bottle of LP for my
> cooking/heating needs. Same with my electric, very low
> use. There are solar powered fridge/freezers
> available, pricey, but not a bad idea. Solar water heat
> is no problem here... LOL, until the winter.
****** The above sounds like you are preparing in a smart way. If you can
live without the pricier appliances, the rule is 'the simpler, the
better'
>
> Hey, did you read the blip on Argentina basically seizing
> pension plans a few weeks back (equivalent of IRA, 401(k),
> etc).... I had read years ago that governments would resort
> to that citing "in the national interest" type
> stuff.
******* Yes I did. And, at one time Argentina was considered a great
success.
I have followed the travails, on the internet , of a man who lived through
their
first collapse. He has written about the crime, the gov't oppression;
because of his experiences, and the fact that a cache of gold helped him to
survive and to get out of the country and have the means to start a new life,
makes him sort of a gold bug
> I even talked to a few other people I know from all over
> the country to see if they were interested in moving to an
> area together and working together. No takers, yet....so
> it is going to be tough alone. Some people I talk to
> don't even consider that there could be food shortages,
> etc. just over the horizon.
****** You are alone ?; I thought you had moved there with family or it was
family land. Sometimes it is difficult for me to keep up with and remeber
people's backgrounds and situations. There are many strong women on this
list who may be able to advise you. As far as the "community" idea,
give it more time, If that is what you want, other people have done it
successfully.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> --- On Mon, 12/8/08, bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> From: bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Go ld -- feel free to ignore
> To: cayadopi AT yahoo.com, homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 10:01 PM
>
> --- On Mon, 12/8/08, Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> > Monied citizens have already been leaving, for the
> past year or so, have
> been getting their $ out of the country. One big money
> manager for an extremely
> wealthy European, who had been in US for years, moved
> operation to Dubai last
> summer. They were going to go to UK and changed
> > mid-stream.
>
>
> Events are occuring and changing so quickly , it is like a
> whipsaw to plan. I
> have an acquaintance who months ago was talking of
> relocating to Spain for
> several years. Events in Europe changed his mind, but the
> subsequent fall in
> the Euro , again, changed his plans to a definite move to
> Europe. He just
> returned from a visit; I'm going to see him maybe this
> weekend. I have no
> intentions of leaving this country. I already wanted to
> homestead in an
> isolated rural area of the U.S., before this calamity.
> But, I am curious to the
> different ways that people intend to ride out these
> events..............................................................
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Alone - I should have written that more clearly.... I
--- On Mon, 12/8/08, bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com> wrote:
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Subject: Re: [Homestead] Go ld -- feel free to ignore
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--- On Mon, 12/8/08, Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> It's a lot cooler here than in your area (Phoenix?) I
> only used my A/C 10 days over the summer (when it got over
> 100), and used a portable swamp cooler for about 10 days.
> I've been heating up to 41-45, and just put a sweatshirt
> on. I'm doing this on purpose to make sure that
> survival is possible without heat or very little heat. My
> fuel consumption is low - from March 08 - Dec any day now,
> I've only used one tall RV sized bottle of LP for my
> cooking/heating needs. Same with my electric, very low
> use. There are solar powered fridge/freezers
> available, pricey, but not a bad idea. Solar water heat
> is no problem here... LOL, until the winter.
****** The above sounds like you are preparing in a smart way. If you can
live without the pricier appliances, the rule is 'the simpler, the
better'
>
> Hey, did you read the blip on Argentina basically seizing
> pension plans a few weeks back (equivalent of IRA, 401(k),
> etc).... I had read years ago that governments would resort
> to that citing "in the national interest" type
> stuff.
******* Yes I did. And, at one time Argentina was considered a great
success.
I have followed the travails, on the internet , of a man who lived through
their
first collapse. He has written about the crime, the gov't oppression;
because of his experiences, and the fact that a cache of gold helped him to
survive and to get out of the country and have the means to start a new life,
makes him sort of a gold bug
> I even talked to a few other people I know from all over
> the country to see if they were interested in moving to an
> area together and working together. No takers, yet....so
> it is going to be tough alone. Some people I talk to
> don't even consider that there could be food shortages,
> etc. just over the horizon.
****** You are alone ?; I thought you had moved there with family or it was
family land. Sometimes it is difficult for me to keep up with and remeber
people's backgrounds and situations. There are many strong women on this
list who may be able to advise you. As far as the "community" idea,
give it more time, If that is what you want, other people have done it
successfully.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> --- On Mon, 12/8/08, bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> From: bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Go ld -- feel free to ignore
> To: cayadopi AT yahoo.com, homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 10:01 PM
>
> --- On Mon, 12/8/08, Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> > Monied citizens have already been leaving, for the
> past year or so, have
> been getting their $ out of the country. One big money
> manager for an extremely
> wealthy European, who had been in US for years, moved
> operation to Dubai last
> summer. They were going to go to UK and changed
> > mid-stream.
>
>
> Events are occuring and changing so quickly , it is like a
> whipsaw to plan. I
> have an acquaintance who months ago was talking of
> relocating to Spain for
> several years. Events in Europe changed his mind, but the
> subsequent fall in
> the Euro , again, changed his plans to a definite move to
> Europe. He just
> returned from a visit; I'm going to see him maybe this
> weekend. I have no
> intentions of leaving this country. I already wanted to
> homestead in an
> isolated rural area of the U.S., before this calamity.
> But, I am curious to the
> different ways that people intend to ride out these
> events..............................................................
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--- On Mon, 12/8/08, bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com> wrote:
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Subject: Re: [Homestead] Go ld -- feel free to ignore
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--- On Mon, 12/8/08, Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> It's a lot cooler here than in your area (Phoenix?) I
> only used my A/C 10 days over the summer (when it got over
> 100), and used a portable swamp cooler for about 10 days.
> I've been heating up to 41-45, and just put a sweatshirt
> on. I'm doing this on purpose to make sure that
> survival is possible without heat or very little heat. My
> fuel consumption is low - from March 08 - Dec any day now,
> I've only used one tall RV sized bottle of LP for my
> cooking/heating needs. Same with my electric, very low
> use. There are solar powered fridge/freezers
> available, pricey, but not a bad idea. Solar water heat
> is no problem here... LOL, until the winter.
****** The above sounds like you are preparing in a smart way. If you can
live without the pricier appliances, the rule is 'the simpler, the
better'
>
> Hey, did you read the blip on Argentina basically seizing
> pension plans a few weeks back (equivalent of IRA, 401(k),
> etc).... I had read years ago that governments would resort
> to that citing "in the national interest" type
> stuff.
******* Yes I did. And, at one time Argentina was considered a great
success.
I have followed the travails, on the internet , of a man who lived through
their
first collapse. He has written about the crime, the gov't oppression;
because of his experiences, and the fact that a cache of gold helped him to
survive and to get out of the country and have the means to start a new life,
makes him sort of a gold bug
> I even talked to a few other people I know from all over
> the country to see if they were interested in moving to an
> area together and working together. No takers, yet....so
> it is going to be tough alone. Some people I talk to
> don't even consider that there could be food shortages,
> etc. just over the horizon.
****** You are alone ?; I thought you had moved there with family or it was
family land. Sometimes it is difficult for me to keep up with and remeber
people's backgrounds and situations. There are many strong women on this
list who may be able to advise you. As far as the "community" idea,
give it more time, If that is what you want, other people have done it
successfully.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> --- On Mon, 12/8/08, bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> From: bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Go ld -- feel free to ignore
> To: cayadopi AT yahoo.com, homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 10:01 PM
>
> --- On Mon, 12/8/08, Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> > Monied citizens have already been leaving, for the
> past year or so, have
> been getting their $ out of the country. One big money
> manager for an extremely
> wealthy European, who had been in US for years, moved
> operation to Dubai last
> summer. They were going to go to UK and changed
> > mid-stream.
>
>
> Events are occuring and changing so quickly , it is like a
> whipsaw to plan. I
> have an acquaintance who months ago was talking of
> relocating to Spain for
> several years. Events in Europe changed his mind, but the
> subsequent fall in
> the Euro , again, changed his plans to a definite move to
> Europe. He just
> returned from a visit; I'm going to see him maybe this
> weekend. I have no
> intentions of leaving this country. I already wanted to
> homestead in an
> isolated rural area of the U.S., before this calamity.
> But, I am curious to the
> different ways that people intend to ride out these
> events..............................................................
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--- On Mon, 12/8/08, Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> It's a lot cooler here than in your area (Phoenix?) I
> only used my A/C 10 days over the summer (when it got over
> 100), and used a portable swamp cooler for about 10 days.
> I've been heating up to 41-45, and just put a sweatshirt
> on. I'm doing this on purpose to make sure that
> survival is possible without heat or very little heat. My
> fuel consumption is low - from March 08 - Dec any day now,
> I've only used one tall RV sized bottle of LP for my
> cooking/heating needs. Same with my electric, very low
> use. There are solar powered fridge/freezers
> available, pricey, but not a bad idea. Solar water heat
> is no problem here... LOL, until the winter.
****** The above sounds like you are preparing in a smart way. If you can
live without the pricier appliances, the rule is 'the simpler, the
better'
>
> Hey, did you read the blip on Argentina basically seizing
> pension plans a few weeks back (equivalent of IRA, 401(k),
> etc).... I had read years ago that governments would resort
> to that citing "in the national interest" type
> stuff.
******* Yes I did. And, at one time Argentina was considered a great
success.
I have followed the travails, on the internet , of a man who lived through
their
first collapse. He has written about the crime, the gov't oppression;
because of his experiences, and the fact that a cache of gold helped him to
survive and to get out of the country and have the means to start a new life,
makes him sort of a gold bug
> I even talked to a few other people I know from all over
> the country to see if they were interested in moving to an
> area together and working together. No takers, yet....so
> it is going to be tough alone. Some people I talk to
> don't even consider that there could be food shortages,
> etc. just over the horizon.
****** You are alone ?; I thought you had moved there with family or it was
family land. Sometimes it is difficult for me to keep up with and remeber
people's backgrounds and situations. There are many strong women on this
list who may be able to advise you. As far as the "community" idea,
give it more time, If that is what you want, other people have done it
successfully.
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>
>
> --- On Mon, 12/8/08, bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> From: bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Go ld -- feel free to ignore
> To: cayadopi AT yahoo.com, homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 10:01 PM
>
> --- On Mon, 12/8/08, Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> > Monied citizens have already been leaving, for the
> past year or so, have
> been getting their $ out of the country. One big money
> manager for an extremely
> wealthy European, who had been in US for years, moved
> operation to Dubai last
> summer. They were going to go to UK and changed
> > mid-stream.
>
>
> Events are occuring and changing so quickly , it is like a
> whipsaw to plan. I
> have an acquaintance who months ago was talking of
> relocating to Spain for
> several years. Events in Europe changed his mind, but the
> subsequent fall in
> the Euro , again, changed his plans to a definite move to
> Europe. He just
> returned from a visit; I'm going to see him maybe this
> weekend. I have no
> intentions of leaving this country. I already wanted to
> homestead in an
> isolated rural area of the U.S., before this calamity.
> But, I am curious to the
> different ways that people intend to ride out these
> events..............................................................
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Alone - I should have written that more clearly.... I am on my
--- On Mon, 12/8/08, bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com> wrote:
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Subject: Re: [Homestead] Go ld -- feel free to ignore
To: cayadopi AT yahoo.com, homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
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--------------------------------------------------------------------
--- On Mon, 12/8/08, Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> It's a lot cooler here than in your area (Phoenix?) I
> only used my A/C 10 days over the summer (when it got over
> 100), and used a portable swamp cooler for about 10 days.
> I've been heating up to 41-45, and just put a sweatshirt
> on. I'm doing this on purpose to make sure that
> survival is possible without heat or very little heat. My
> fuel consumption is low - from March 08 - Dec any day now,
> I've only used one tall RV sized bottle of LP for my
> cooking/heating needs. Same with my electric, very low
> use. There are solar powered fridge/freezers
> available, pricey, but not a bad idea. Solar water heat
> is no problem here... LOL, until the winter.
****** The above sounds like you are preparing in a smart way. If you can
live without the pricier appliances, the rule is 'the simpler, the
better'
>
> Hey, did you read the blip on Argentina basically seizing
> pension plans a few weeks back (equivalent of IRA, 401(k),
> etc).... I had read years ago that governments would resort
> to that citing "in the national interest" type
> stuff.
******* Yes I did. And, at one time Argentina was considered a great
success.
I have followed the travails, on the internet , of a man who lived through
their
first collapse. He has written about the crime, the gov't oppression;
because of his experiences, and the fact that a cache of gold helped him to
survive and to get out of the country and have the means to start a new life,
makes him sort of a gold bug
> I even talked to a few other people I know from all over
> the country to see if they were interested in moving to an
> area together and working together. No takers, yet....so
> it is going to be tough alone. Some people I talk to
> don't even consider that there could be food shortages,
> etc. just over the horizon.
****** You are alone ?; I thought you had moved there with family or it was
family land. Sometimes it is difficult for me to keep up with and remeber
people's backgrounds and situations. There are many strong women on this
list who may be able to advise you. As far as the "community" idea,
give it more time, If that is what you want, other people have done it
successfully.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> --- On Mon, 12/8/08, bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> From: bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Go ld -- feel free to ignore
> To: cayadopi AT yahoo.com, homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 10:01 PM
>
> --- On Mon, 12/8/08, Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> > Monied citizens have already been leaving, for the
> past year or so, have
> been getting their $ out of the country. One big money
> manager for an extremely
> wealthy European, who had been in US for years, moved
> operation to Dubai last
> summer. They were going to go to UK and changed
> > mid-stream.
>
>
> Events are occuring and changing so quickly , it is like a
> whipsaw to plan. I
> have an acquaintance who months ago was talking of
> relocating to Spain for
> several years. Events in Europe changed his mind, but the
> subsequent fall in
> the Euro , again, changed his plans to a definite move to
> Europe. He just
> returned from a visit; I'm going to see him maybe this
> weekend. I have no
> intentions of leaving this country. I already wanted to
> homestead in an
> isolated rural area of the U.S., before this calamity.
> But, I am curious to the
> different ways that people intend to ride out these
> events..............................................................
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Alone - I should have written that more clearly.... I am on my parents
--- On Mon, 12/8/08, bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com> wrote:
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Subject: Re: [Homestead] Go ld -- feel free to ignore
To: cayadopi AT yahoo.com, homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
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--------------------------------------------------------------------
--- On Mon, 12/8/08, Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> It's a lot cooler here than in your area (Phoenix?) I
> only used my A/C 10 days over the summer (when it got over
> 100), and used a portable swamp cooler for about 10 days.
> I've been heating up to 41-45, and just put a sweatshirt
> on. I'm doing this on purpose to make sure that
> survival is possible without heat or very little heat. My
> fuel consumption is low - from March 08 - Dec any day now,
> I've only used one tall RV sized bottle of LP for my
> cooking/heating needs. Same with my electric, very low
> use. There are solar powered fridge/freezers
> available, pricey, but not a bad idea. Solar water heat
> is no problem here... LOL, until the winter.
****** The above sounds like you are preparing in a smart way. If you can
live without the pricier appliances, the rule is 'the simpler, the
better'
>
> Hey, did you read the blip on Argentina basically seizing
> pension plans a few weeks back (equivalent of IRA, 401(k),
> etc).... I had read years ago that governments would resort
> to that citing "in the national interest" type
> stuff.
******* Yes I did. And, at one time Argentina was considered a great
success.
I have followed the travails, on the internet , of a man who lived through
their
first collapse. He has written about the crime, the gov't oppression;
because of his experiences, and the fact that a cache of gold helped him to
survive and to get out of the country and have the means to start a new life,
makes him sort of a gold bug
> I even talked to a few other people I know from all over
> the country to see if they were interested in moving to an
> area together and working together. No takers, yet....so
> it is going to be tough alone. Some people I talk to
> don't even consider that there could be food shortages,
> etc. just over the horizon.
****** You are alone ?; I thought you had moved there with family or it was
family land. Sometimes it is difficult for me to keep up with and remeber
people's backgrounds and situations. There are many strong women on this
list who may be able to advise you. As far as the "community" idea,
give it more time, If that is what you want, other people have done it
successfully.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> --- On Mon, 12/8/08, bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> From: bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Go ld -- feel free to ignore
> To: cayadopi AT yahoo.com, homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 10:01 PM
>
> --- On Mon, 12/8/08, Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> > Monied citizens have already been leaving, for the
> past year or so, have
> been getting their $ out of the country. One big money
> manager for an extremely
> wealthy European, who had been in US for years, moved
> operation to Dubai last
> summer. They were going to go to UK and changed
> > mid-stream.
>
>
> Events are occuring and changing so quickly , it is like a
> whipsaw to plan. I
> have an acquaintance who months ago was talking of
> relocating to Spain for
> several years. Events in Europe changed his mind, but the
> subsequent fall in
> the Euro , again, changed his plans to a definite move to
> Europe. He just
> returned from a visit; I'm going to see him maybe this
> weekend. I have no
> intentions of leaving this country. I already wanted to
> homestead in an
> isolated rural area of the U.S., before this calamity.
> But, I am curious to the
> different ways that people intend to ride out these
> events..............................................................
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Alone - I should have written that more clearly.... I am on my parents
property, they are here,,,, but they are elderly
--- On Mon, 12/8/08, bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com> wrote:
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Subject: Re: [Homestead] Go ld -- feel free to ignore
To: cayadopi AT yahoo.com, homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 11:00 PM
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--------------------------------------------------------------------
--- On Mon, 12/8/08, Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> It's a lot cooler here than in your area (Phoenix?) I
> only used my A/C 10 days over the summer (when it got over
> 100), and used a portable swamp cooler for about 10 days.
> I've been heating up to 41-45, and just put a sweatshirt
> on. I'm doing this on purpose to make sure that
> survival is possible without heat or very little heat. My
> fuel consumption is low - from March 08 - Dec any day now,
> I've only used one tall RV sized bottle of LP for my
> cooking/heating needs. Same with my electric, very low
> use. There are solar powered fridge/freezers
> available, pricey, but not a bad idea. Solar water heat
> is no problem here... LOL, until the winter.
****** The above sounds like you are preparing in a smart way. If you can
live without the pricier appliances, the rule is 'the simpler, the
better'
>
> Hey, did you read the blip on Argentina basically seizing
> pension plans a few weeks back (equivalent of IRA, 401(k),
> etc).... I had read years ago that governments would resort
> to that citing "in the national interest" type
> stuff.
******* Yes I did. And, at one time Argentina was considered a great
success.
I have followed the travails, on the internet , of a man who lived through
their
first collapse. He has written about the crime, the gov't oppression;
because of his experiences, and the fact that a cache of gold helped him to
survive and to get out of the country and have the means to start a new life,
makes him sort of a gold bug
> I even talked to a few other people I know from all over
> the country to see if they were interested in moving to an
> area together and working together. No takers, yet....so
> it is going to be tough alone. Some people I talk to
> don't even consider that there could be food shortages,
> etc. just over the horizon.
****** You are alone ?; I thought you had moved there with family or it was
family land. Sometimes it is difficult for me to keep up with and remeber
people's backgrounds and situations. There are many strong women on this
list who may be able to advise you. As far as the "community" idea,
give it more time, If that is what you want, other people have done it
successfully.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> --- On Mon, 12/8/08, bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> From: bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Go ld -- feel free to ignore
> To: cayadopi AT yahoo.com, homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 10:01 PM
>
> --- On Mon, 12/8/08, Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> > Monied citizens have already been leaving, for the
> past year or so, have
> been getting their $ out of the country. One big money
> manager for an extremely
> wealthy European, who had been in US for years, moved
> operation to Dubai last
> summer. They were going to go to UK and changed
> > mid-stream.
>
>
> Events are occuring and changing so quickly , it is like a
> whipsaw to plan. I
> have an acquaintance who months ago was talking of
> relocating to Spain for
> several years. Events in Europe changed his mind, but the
> subsequent fall in
> the Euro , again, changed his plans to a definite move to
> Europe. He just
> returned from a visit; I'm going to see him maybe this
> weekend. I have no
> intentions of leaving this country. I already wanted to
> homestead in an
> isolated rural area of the U.S., before this calamity.
> But, I am curious to the
> different ways that people intend to ride out these
> events..............................................................
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Alone - I should have written that more clearly.... I am on my parents
property, they are here,,,,
--- On Mon, 12/8/08, bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com> wrote:
From: bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
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To: cayadopi AT yahoo.com, homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
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--------------------------------------------------------------------
--- On Mon, 12/8/08, Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> It's a lot cooler here than in your area (Phoenix?) I
> only used my A/C 10 days over the summer (when it got over
> 100), and used a portable swamp cooler for about 10 days.
> I've been heating up to 41-45, and just put a sweatshirt
> on. I'm doing this on purpose to make sure that
> survival is possible without heat or very little heat. My
> fuel consumption is low - from March 08 - Dec any day now,
> I've only used one tall RV sized bottle of LP for my
> cooking/heating needs. Same with my electric, very low
> use. There are solar powered fridge/freezers
> available, pricey, but not a bad idea. Solar water heat
> is no problem here... LOL, until the winter.
****** The above sounds like you are preparing in a smart way. If you can
live without the pricier appliances, the rule is 'the simpler, the
better'
>
> Hey, did you read the blip on Argentina basically seizing
> pension plans a few weeks back (equivalent of IRA, 401(k),
> etc).... I had read years ago that governments would resort
> to that citing "in the national interest" type
> stuff.
******* Yes I did. And, at one time Argentina was considered a great
success.
I have followed the travails, on the internet , of a man who lived through
their
first collapse. He has written about the crime, the gov't oppression;
because of his experiences, and the fact that a cache of gold helped him to
survive and to get out of the country and have the means to start a new life,
makes him sort of a gold bug
> I even talked to a few other people I know from all over
> the country to see if they were interested in moving to an
> area together and working together. No takers, yet....so
> it is going to be tough alone. Some people I talk to
> don't even consider that there could be food shortages,
> etc. just over the horizon.
****** You are alone ?; I thought you had moved there with family or it was
family land. Sometimes it is difficult for me to keep up with and remeber
people's backgrounds and situations. There are many strong women on this
list who may be able to advise you. As far as the "community" idea,
give it more time, If that is what you want, other people have done it
successfully.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> --- On Mon, 12/8/08, bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> From: bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Go ld -- feel free to ignore
> To: cayadopi AT yahoo.com, homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 10:01 PM
>
> --- On Mon, 12/8/08, Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> > Monied citizens have already been leaving, for the
> past year or so, have
> been getting their $ out of the country. One big money
> manager for an extremely
> wealthy European, who had been in US for years, moved
> operation to Dubai last
> summer. They were going to go to UK and changed
> > mid-stream.
>
>
> Events are occuring and changing so quickly , it is like a
> whipsaw to plan. I
> have an acquaintance who months ago was talking of
> relocating to Spain for
> several years. Events in Europe changed his mind, but the
> subsequent fall in
> the Euro , again, changed his plans to a definite move to
> Europe. He just
> returned from a visit; I'm going to see him maybe this
> weekend. I have no
> intentions of leaving this country. I already wanted to
> homestead in an
> isolated rural area of the U.S., before this calamity.
> But, I am curious to the
> different ways that people intend to ride out these
> events..............................................................
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Alone - I should have written that more clearly.... I am on my parents
property, they are here,,,, but they are elderly and can not help
--- On Mon, 12/8/08, bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com> wrote:
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--------------------------------------------------------------------
--- On Mon, 12/8/08, Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> It's a lot cooler here than in your area (Phoenix?) I
> only used my A/C 10 days over the summer (when it got over
> 100), and used a portable swamp cooler for about 10 days.
> I've been heating up to 41-45, and just put a sweatshirt
> on. I'm doing this on purpose to make sure that
> survival is possible without heat or very little heat. My
> fuel consumption is low - from March 08 - Dec any day now,
> I've only used one tall RV sized bottle of LP for my
> cooking/heating needs. Same with my electric, very low
> use. There are solar powered fridge/freezers
> available, pricey, but not a bad idea. Solar water heat
> is no problem here... LOL, until the winter.
****** The above sounds like you are preparing in a smart way. If you can
live without the pricier appliances, the rule is 'the simpler, the
better'
>
> Hey, did you read the blip on Argentina basically seizing
> pension plans a few weeks back (equivalent of IRA, 401(k),
> etc).... I had read years ago that governments would resort
> to that citing "in the national interest" type
> stuff.
******* Yes I did. And, at one time Argentina was considered a great
success.
I have followed the travails, on the internet , of a man who lived through
their
first collapse. He has written about the crime, the gov't oppression;
because of his experiences, and the fact that a cache of gold helped him to
survive and to get out of the country and have the means to start a new life,
makes him sort of a gold bug
> I even talked to a few other people I know from all over
> the country to see if they were interested in moving to an
> area together and working together. No takers, yet....so
> it is going to be tough alone. Some people I talk to
> don't even consider that there could be food shortages,
> etc. just over the horizon.
****** You are alone ?; I thought you had moved there with family or it was
family land. Sometimes it is difficult for me to keep up with and remeber
people's backgrounds and situations. There are many strong women on this
list who may be able to advise you. As far as the "community" idea,
give it more time, If that is what you want, other people have done it
successfully.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> --- On Mon, 12/8/08, bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> From: bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Go ld -- feel free to ignore
> To: cayadopi AT yahoo.com, homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 10:01 PM
>
> --- On Mon, 12/8/08, Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> > Monied citizens have already been leaving, for the
> past year or so, have
> been getting their $ out of the country. One big money
> manager for an extremely
> wealthy European, who had been in US for years, moved
> operation to Dubai last
> summer. They were going to go to UK and changed
> > mid-stream.
>
>
> Events are occuring and changing so quickly , it is like a
> whipsaw to plan. I
> have an acquaintance who months ago was talking of
> relocating to Spain for
> several years. Events in Europe changed his mind, but the
> subsequent fall in
> the Euro , again, changed his plans to a definite move to
> Europe. He just
> returned from a visit; I'm going to see him maybe this
> weekend. I have no
> intentions of leaving this country. I already wanted to
> homestead in an
> isolated rural area of the U.S., before this calamity.
> But, I am curious to the
> different ways that people intend to ride out these
> events..............................................................
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Alone - I should have written that more clearly.... I am on my parents
property, they are here,,,, but they are elderly and can not help me.... I
have to
--- On Mon, 12/8/08, bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com> wrote:
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Subject: Re: [Homestead] Go ld -- feel free to ignore
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Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 11:00 PM
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--------------------------------------------------------------------
--- On Mon, 12/8/08, Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> It's a lot cooler here than in your area (Phoenix?) I
> only used my A/C 10 days over the summer (when it got over
> 100), and used a portable swamp cooler for about 10 days.
> I've been heating up to 41-45, and just put a sweatshirt
> on. I'm doing this on purpose to make sure that
> survival is possible without heat or very little heat. My
> fuel consumption is low - from March 08 - Dec any day now,
> I've only used one tall RV sized bottle of LP for my
> cooking/heating needs. Same with my electric, very low
> use. There are solar powered fridge/freezers
> available, pricey, but not a bad idea. Solar water heat
> is no problem here... LOL, until the winter.
****** The above sounds like you are preparing in a smart way. If you can
live without the pricier appliances, the rule is 'the simpler, the
better'
>
> Hey, did you read the blip on Argentina basically seizing
> pension plans a few weeks back (equivalent of IRA, 401(k),
> etc).... I had read years ago that governments would resort
> to that citing "in the national interest" type
> stuff.
******* Yes I did. And, at one time Argentina was considered a great
success.
I have followed the travails, on the internet , of a man who lived through
their
first collapse. He has written about the crime, the gov't oppression;
because of his experiences, and the fact that a cache of gold helped him to
survive and to get out of the country and have the means to start a new life,
makes him sort of a gold bug
> I even talked to a few other people I know from all over
> the country to see if they were interested in moving to an
> area together and working together. No takers, yet....so
> it is going to be tough alone. Some people I talk to
> don't even consider that there could be food shortages,
> etc. just over the horizon.
****** You are alone ?; I thought you had moved there with family or it was
family land. Sometimes it is difficult for me to keep up with and remeber
people's backgrounds and situations. There are many strong women on this
list who may be able to advise you. As far as the "community" idea,
give it more time, If that is what you want, other people have done it
successfully.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> --- On Mon, 12/8/08, bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> From: bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Go ld -- feel free to ignore
> To: cayadopi AT yahoo.com, homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 10:01 PM
>
> --- On Mon, 12/8/08, Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> > Monied citizens have already been leaving, for the
> past year or so, have
> been getting their $ out of the country. One big money
> manager for an extremely
> wealthy European, who had been in US for years, moved
> operation to Dubai last
> summer. They were going to go to UK and changed
> > mid-stream.
>
>
> Events are occuring and changing so quickly , it is like a
> whipsaw to plan. I
> have an acquaintance who months ago was talking of
> relocating to Spain for
> several years. Events in Europe changed his mind, but the
> subsequent fall in
> the Euro , again, changed his plans to a definite move to
> Europe. He just
> returned from a visit; I'm going to see him maybe this
> weekend. I have no
> intentions of leaving this country. I already wanted to
> homestead in an
> isolated rural area of the U.S., before this calamity.
> But, I am curious to the
> different ways that people intend to ride out these
> events..............................................................
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Alone - I should have written that more clearly.... I am on my parents
property, they are here,,,, but they are elderly and can not help me.... I
have to do the work alone - myself. Although my dad on the days he can walk
out to the garage sits and explains to me how to do things. He taught me how
to fix a brake problem earlier this year (fun, except I'm not found of
getting my hands full of mechanic grease). My mom has been fairly mobile
until this past month or so.
I'm pretty strong, have stacked a lot of heavy hay bales most of my life for
one... but I don't have the hand strength I used to have any more. This year
I've been recovering from knee surgery, and i have the good day bad day thing
going on. In time will need a knee transplant... and I'm definitely counting
on being able to get that.
I had an Argentinian client, who's family was going thru that. Somehow, the
brother realized things were about the collapse and called his sister in
Miami and asked if he couuld wire her all of their money. Within a week or
two the collapse happened. Last I talked to them, they were shopping in
Miami and shipping supplies to them, and that was just a couple years ago, as
supplies were still hard to get.
Was he able to use the gold in Argentina until he got out?
--- On Mon, 12/8/08, bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com> wrote:
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Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 11:00 PM
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--------------------------------------------------------------------
--- On Mon, 12/8/08, Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> It's a lot cooler here than in your area (Phoenix?) I
> only used my A/C 10 days over the summer (when it got over
> 100), and used a portable swamp cooler for about 10 days.
> I've been heating up to 41-45, and just put a sweatshirt
> on. I'm doing this on purpose to make sure that
> survival is possible without heat or very little heat. My
> fuel consumption is low - from March 08 - Dec any day now,
> I've only used one tall RV sized bottle of LP for my
> cooking/heating needs. Same with my electric, very low
> use. There are solar powered fridge/freezers
> available, pricey, but not a bad idea. Solar water heat
> is no problem here... LOL, until the winter.
****** The above sounds like you are preparing in a smart way. If you can
live without the pricier appliances, the rule is 'the simpler, the
better'
>
> Hey, did you read the blip on Argentina basically seizing
> pension plans a few weeks back (equivalent of IRA, 401(k),
> etc).... I had read years ago that governments would resort
> to that citing "in the national interest" type
> stuff.
******* Yes I did. And, at one time Argentina was considered a great
success.
I have followed the travails, on the internet , of a man who lived through
their
first collapse. He has written about the crime, the gov't oppression;
because of his experiences, and the fact that a cache of gold helped him to
survive and to get out of the country and have the means to start a new life,
makes him sort of a gold bug
> I even talked to a few other people I know from all over
> the country to see if they were interested in moving to an
> area together and working together. No takers, yet....so
> it is going to be tough alone. Some people I talk to
> don't even consider that there could be food shortages,
> etc. just over the horizon.
****** You are alone ?; I thought you had moved there with family or it was
family land. Sometimes it is difficult for me to keep up with and remeber
people's backgrounds and situations. There are many strong women on this
list who may be able to advise you. As far as the "community" idea,
give it more time, If that is what you want, other people have done it
successfully.
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> --- On Mon, 12/8/08, bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> From: bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Go ld -- feel free to ignore
> To: cayadopi AT yahoo.com, homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 10:01 PM
>
> --- On Mon, 12/8/08, Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> > Monied citizens have already been leaving, for the
> past year or so, have
> been getting their $ out of the country. One big money
> manager for an extremely
> wealthy European, who had been in US for years, moved
> operation to Dubai last
> summer. They were going to go to UK and changed
> > mid-stream.
>
>
> Events are occuring and changing so quickly , it is like a
> whipsaw to plan. I
> have an acquaintance who months ago was talking of
> relocating to Spain for
> several years. Events in Europe changed his mind, but the
> subsequent fall in
> the Euro , again, changed his plans to a definite move to
> Europe. He just
> returned from a visit; I'm going to see him maybe this
> weekend. I have no
> intentions of leaving this country. I already wanted to
> homestead in an
> isolated rural area of the U.S., before this calamity.
> But, I am curious to the
> different ways that people intend to ride out these
> events..............................................................
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Clansgian AT wmconnect.com wrote:
> We've had a rash of possums this fall and winter but very fortunately
> we too have a very good possum hound (not actually a hound though, an
> Aussie).
You know that my Bear Bear is an Aussie..He's the best! You can see him
in some of the pictures on myspace. If I am outside, he is outside.
She
> has brough up a dozen dead ones, that is, freshly killed and two that
> were playing possum. Not only are theys till breathing but the tail
> curl reflex is unaffected and if you touch their tail with a stick,
> they will curl around it.
Well, Bear had already removed the tail of this one, but in her 'dead'
state, I got a good look at her pouch, which reminded me of a blue
testicle on her belly button..lol.. It was like a large bluish gray
grape..very strange looking and not what I had imagined a pouch would
look like. I think I must have thought it was like a kangaroo pouch or
something. I think I refered to her as Mr. Possum in the last post, but
it really was a female, I just call everything Mister.
The first time I ever saw a possum, I was in the 5th grade. A classmate
named Rhett, who I had the biggest crush on, brought in a baby possum
and that prehensile tail was curled around his finger and the baby was
hanging upside down. I thought that was the coolest thing, and of
course, that Rhett was the coolest hippie-wannabe(this was circa 1970).
>
> Did you know that it is not something the possum does voluntarily?
> It as a sort of fainting coma brought on by stress and fright.
No, I didn't know that, but I was woo'ed in there for a second. I was
bent over looking at that pouch and those teeth when I realized it was
still alive and could jump up and bite me at any second-it is rare, I
hear, for them to be rabid, but it would be just my luck. They have a
LOT of teeth..and I was actually thinking "land shark" because of that
mouth and the fact that they eat all kinds of stuff. I also was amazed
by the fur, which looked as long and soft as the most beautiful Persian cat.
>
> Possums and eggs don't mix. We've had to send one to be with its
> ancestors when we cornered it in the chicken coop.
>
If it had been a big possum, I might be inclined to think the lack of
eggs was due to the water freezing up at night. BUT, the way the
chickens didn't want to go into the coop to eat combined with the loss
of eggs AND the fact that the possum was small enough to go through the
holes in the fence...I'm betting it was possum..
Bev
--
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hate. Hate leads to suffering. Yoda
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- Re: [Homestead] Go ld -- feel free to ignore, EarthNSky, 12/09/2008
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Re: [Homestead] Go ld -- feel free to ignore,
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- Re: [Homestead] Go ld -- feel free to ignore, bob ford, 12/08/2008
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Re: [Homestead] Go ld -- feel free to ignore,
Clansgian, 12/08/2008
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Re: [Homestead] Go ld -- feel free to ignore,
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- Re: [Homestead] Go ld -- feel free to ignore, bob ford, 12/08/2008
- Re: [Homestead] Go ld -- feel free to ignore, william Eggers, 12/09/2008
- Re: [Homestead] Go ld -- feel free to ignore, Clansgian, 12/08/2008
- Re: [Homestead] Go ld -- feel free to ignore, Leslie, 12/08/2008
- Re: [Homestead] Go ld -- feel free to ignore, Leslie, 12/08/2008
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Re: [Homestead] Go ld -- feel free to ignore,
bob ford, 12/08/2008
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Re: [Homestead] Go ld -- feel free to ignore,
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Lynn Wigglesworth, 12/09/2008
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bob ford, 12/09/2008
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Re: [Homestead] Go ld -- feel free to ignore,
Lynda, 12/09/2008
- Re: [Homestead] Go ld -- feel free to ignore, Leslie, 12/09/2008
- Re: [Homestead] Go ld -- feel free to ignore, bob ford, 12/09/2008
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Re: [Homestead] Go ld -- feel free to ignore,
bob ford, 12/09/2008
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Re: [Homestead] Go ld -- feel free to ignore,
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