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[Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>]

Look at how long it has taken some of you to get on the learning curveof 
self-sufficiency and are prepared.  (Yikes, I'm just starting.)  How are 
"city folks" supposed to do this in a reasonableamount of time?  Maybe down 
the road they will make that choice, but in an economic crisis they will be 
awful hungry long before.  Those in the city will be angry & hungry people. A 
lot of people in cities are armed.Some may remain civilized, but others will 
resort to smash and grab and steal what food and supplies they can.  
Obviously a few here are anticipating that. Others will demand food/supplies 
from the government.  I suspect that Homeless/hungry is one of the type of 
civil unrest that those Presidential Orders are prepared for. Google FEMA + 
camps I've been hearing about them for several years now (and dismissed it as 
extreme) and only recently even thought to google.  While people on the 
internet call them concentrationcamps (and many typos on
 interpreting the Exec. Orders in some), I suspect they appear to be in place 
for a) some type of disaster housing, or b) to house hungry homeless in the 
event of a major depression or hyper-inflation resulting in the same thing in 
the end, lots of hungry desperate people. Emphasis on desperate - desperate 
people do desperate things. Being in a remote area, and self-sufficient under 
those kind of circumstances - a good thing.And possibly also a target of the 
government... as one of those presidential orders for FEMA includes being 
able to control food distribution, production, farm, farm equipment, etc. 
Granted some of this stuff about FEMA could be "paranoid internet rumors".. 
but  Executive Order 10998ASSIGNING EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS FUNCTIONS TO THE 
SECRETARY OF AGRICULTURESECTION 1. Scope. The Secretary of Agriculture 
(hereinafter referred to as the Secretary) shall prepare national emergency 
plans and develop preparedness programs covering: Food
 resources, farm equipment, fertilizer, and food resource 
facilities.......These plans and programs shall be designed to develop a 
state of readiness in these areas with respect to all conditions of national 
emergency.... SECTION 1. Scope. The Secretary of Agriculture (hereinafter 
referred to as the Secretary) shall prepare national emergency plans and 
develop preparedness programs covering: Food resources, farm  equipment, 
fertilizer, and food resource facilities, ...............  These plans and 
programs shall be designed to develop a state of readiness in these areas 
with respect to all conditions of national emergency............... SEC. 2. 
Definitions. As used in this order: (a) "Food resources" means all 
commodities and products, simple, mixed or compound, or complements to such 
commodities or products, that are capable of being eaten or drunk, by either 
human beings or animals' irrespective of other uses to which such commodities 
or products may
 be.   http://www.disastercenter.com/laworder/10998.htm  Maybe the government 
is not only anticipating civil unrest, homeless, hungry,but some form of 
rebellion.  One of these Presidential Orders includes aclause about rounding 
up dissidents.  Look at how they track the militia groups.  Or howabout those 
families in TX that had their own little community thing going on.Geez..... 
(OK that the FBI, not FEMA,,,, but still Feds.)  What about rebellion against 
capitalism?  Do you think we're nearingthat stage? Leslie 



--- On Mon, 12/8/08, Lynn Wigglesworth <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com> wrote:


> I'm not sure which of us thinks what anymore   :-)  I've never
been one of those 'end of the world' people. I think it's the frog
in the pot of water...conditions will just get worse and worse and people 
will put up with it
and adjust. Or maybe some will come to their senses and live a more frugal 
life.
I'm afraid that modern Americans don't have rebellion in them.
> 
> Lynn Wigglesworth






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> >Should that be horde? Way different meaning than hoard.
>
Yes, it should be horde.  I should really finish that English as a Second
Language course.

>> And--not within--should that be well within?
>
Nope, 'not within' in that we are never going to see a horde of fat wheezing
accountants and financial advisors going on a rampage and making it to these
remote reaches of the world.

James