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[bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>]

James, I don't know where you got the idea that I think people are coming 
maurading to you or anyone else, in particular.  I have made the comment, 
once or twice, in seriousness and in joking fashion, that distance is not an 
absolute barrier in a 'worse case scenario".  I still do 'not' expect that 
'worse case scenario", and why you would think that 'I" am the type of person 
to maurade upon 'anyone' was my objection.  I live in a safe place, as do 
you.  I am comfortable in my surroundings , as are you.  You have one big 
advantage (I'm only talking about the potential of mass movements of people). 
 That advantage is distance .  

I could drive one hour to Camp Verde and be on the other side of a mountain 
as big as your hills (inless your hills are over 10,000 ft).  I really don't 
expect that to be even close to one of the first problems, and it may never 
become any sort of problem. Two of Three things, if occuring, will cause 
waves of exodus from metropolitan areas.  The first people to leave will be 
people like me, with some funding and a direction to head where I am already 
welcome.  Any waves of population after that, would decrease in hopefulness 
as they come out.  But, two of three things must first occur

1) Garbage pick-up stops

2)  Water and sewer (& then elec) stops)

3) Food distribution becomes unreliable

So far, none of those three things are on the horizon.  Do I think you, 
Lynda, my brothers, Bev, etc, etc, are all a few steps ahead of me, in a 
worst case scenario?  hell yes.  Would I ever become a barbaric marauder?  
No.  I am the same person that I have always been, and I intend to always be 
an honorable person......................


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--- On Mon, 12/8/08, Clansgian AT wmconnect.com <Clansgian AT wmconnect.com> wrote:

> From: Clansgian AT wmconnect.com <Clansgian AT wmconnect.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Go ld  -- feel free to ignore
> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 7:06 PM
> > > I used no such language.  I stated what I believe
> is true, that barbarity 
> > is not only possible, but is proven by history to be a
> good possiblitlity 
> > during societal breakdown.
> > 
> 
> And I stated my observation that your fears of a barbarous
> uprising are 
> unfounded because there has never been before now on the
> face of the earth such a 
> generation of milktoasts and Pilsbury dough boys.
> 
> Like the peasants you cite from previous generations, my
> clan and many of the 
> people are hardened and ganrled as an old hickory stump.  I
> made the 
> observation, Bob, that the very same suburban warriors you
> imagine are probably not as 
> well equiped skill wise, mentally, or physically as YOU
> are, and yet even YOU 
> would be God's own fool to come to a place like this
> and try to use force to 
> get anything.  EVEN if there were twenty of you to one of
> us.
> 
> Take any twenty 20 year olds from your alluded to
> population and I at 55 will 
> work 19 of them right into the ground.  My 11 year old
> daughter will work 
> eleven or twelve of them into the ground.
> 
> What I mean to say, Bob, is that in discussions about how
> hard economic times 
> are likely to be, the observation that "oh, you'd
> better hope not, people 
> will rise up and come marauding in your are" is pure
> unmitigated bull sh*t.  I 
> don't care what depravity you imagine the rank and file
> Michellin man is capable 
> of, in a crisis they will wet themselves and go sniveling
> off into the 
> shelters.  
> 
> So don't get your shorts in a wad unless you want to
> put my hypothesis to the 
> test.  Come here and stage a raid on the place by sneaking
> up on us the only 
> unobserved way you could get there -- up over Pine Mountain
> and through the 
> three miles of laurel thicket of the Mirkwood.  See just
> how much you feel like 
> marauding after that.
> 
> Until then your mythical marauding warriors are the stuff
> Saturday morning 
> cartoons are made of and have no potential in reality.
> 
> 
> James
> "Wha's like us?  Damn few, and they're all
> a-deed!"
> 
> 
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