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[bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>]

I just read the first two paragraphs and will read the rest later.  So far, 
it says some Indians have accused the gov't of sterilizing up to 25% (which I 
still find unbelieveable).  I'l finish later but think you might be 
exaggerating.  You know as well as I do, that alcohol has something to do 
with the birthrate.  It might not be politically correct to say, but alcohol 
affects Indians differently than others.  I will read further.

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--- On Thu, 12/4/08, Lynda <lurine AT softcom.net> wrote:

> From: Lynda <lurine AT softcom.net>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Who attacked whom? (was: It's almost over)
> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 4:47 PM
> Ah, Bob.  I would suggest you do some reading about history.
>  The government 
> instituted a program in the 60s and 70s inwhich they
> sterilized over 40% of 
> the Indians who were of child bearing age.
> 
> Wouldn't think of giving you any newspaper article but
> I would refer you to 
> Congressional records!  The GAO report.  The American
> Indian Policy Review 
> Commission's Report on Indian Health.  Public Health
> Aspects of 
> Contraceptive Serilization.  American Indian Women and IHS
> Sterlization 
> Practices.  Killing Our Future:  Sterlization and
> Experiments.  And Then 
> There Were None:  Is Federal Policy Endangering the
> American Indian Species. 
> Also, numerous articles in well respected journals such as
> the American 
> Journal of Public Health and even the U.S. Dept. of HEW has
> many reports on 
> this.
> 
> Here's one article just to get you started 
> http://muse.jhu.edu/journals/american_indian_quarterly/v024/24.3lawrence.html
> 
> Lynda
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "bob ford" <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> To: "Lynda" <lurine AT softcom.net>;
> <homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 3:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Who attacked whom? (was: It's
> almost over)
> 
> 
> > Now, I have completely agreed with your greviances, as
> an Indian, and said 
> > that the gov't is required to make things right ,
> because of the 
> > Constitution.  Why do you have to throw in something
> like sterilizing 40% 
> > of the modern Indians,  That has not happened.
> >
> >  The gov't did have a hand in killing off many
> (most) Indians, and 
> > stealing your land through broken treaties.  But,
> I'm going to need more 
> > than a left-wing newspaper article to believe that we
> (the gov't) 
> > sterilized 40% of the few of you that were left.  If
> they did that 
> > successfully, why did they not do it to
> "blacks" when they were in the 
> > unfavorable column?  It wasn't
> possible.............
> >
> > p.s. My cherokee friend was not at boarding school. 
> His father was a cop. 
> > My friend played all sports, was in the normal clubs,
> did all of the 
> > normal stuff.  He was proud of his Cherokee heritage,
> but he was just one 
> > of the guys.  Maybe, today, he looks at it
> differently, I don't know. 
> > 'haven't talked to him in
> decades.....................................
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> > --- On Thu, 12/4/08, Lynda <lurine AT softcom.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Lynda <lurine AT softcom.net>
> >> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Who attacked whom? (was:
> It's almost over)
> >> To: bobford79 AT yahoo.com,
> homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> >> Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 4:21 PM
> >> We have never been of the whine and snivel type
> <g>
> >> We've begun using the courts, the Constitution
> AND the
> >> UN.
> >>
> >> And, yup, I'll bet your friend did consider
> himself
> >> "white" because that was a way to
> survive.  AND,
> >> also a wanted result from the boarding schools.
> >>
> >> The boarding schools didn't take with us so
> well.  In
> >> fact, just made most of my aunts and uncles and
> cousins,
> >> etc. more anti-white, anti-christian. Of course,
> part of it
> >> might have to do with those nice christian folks
> killing my
> >> uncle.
> >>
> >> Nope, we aren't multiplying like other folks. 
> The
> >> government went out of their way to be sure the
> red folks
> >> couldn't multiple.  When you sterilize over
> 40% of any
> >> given ethnic population  you kind of put a crimp
> in their
> >> reproductive activies.  Guess they were scared
> that we
> >> viewed them all as more potential Custards and
> might invoke
> >> more Ghost Dances <g>
> >>
> >> Lynda
> >>
> >> P.S.  Don't anyone going assigning tone to
> these
> >> e-mails.  I'm just sharing facts and writing
> as I would
> >> speak if we were all sitting around the woodstove
> sharing
> >> some pasta e figoli (made using my smoked turkey
> broth) with
> >> hot garlic bread (dinner tonight <g>)
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "bob
> ford"
> >> <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> >>
> >>
> >> > The problem with what you wrote Lynda is that
> there
> >> are not enough of you left to get away with being
> as
> >> antagonistic as the "Black" or
> "brown"
> >> "folks" -- and , it is starting to wear
> thin and
> >> not work as well for them, also.
> >> >
> >> > Your people have not multiplied in sufficient
> numbers
> >> as did the black and brown people (I guess you are
> old
> >> school and consider your self "Red").
> The good
> >> full blood Cherokee friend I had growing up
> considered
> >> himself "white".
> >> >
> >> > The Treaties and the Constitution really is
> your ace
> >> in the hole
> >> >
> >
> >
> > 
> 
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