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[bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>]

I didn't understand the Nazi/Jew/Indian comment, but the rest makes sense.  
Like I said, to me, Indians experiences are as varied as any other people.  
The drunken Indian sterotype is as bad as  the drunken Mick, Lazy n*gger; 
Thieving Jew , and limp wristed qu**r stereotypes.  But, we all live with 
stereotypes. 

 I don't know how you feel about the sports teams names issues.  I've always 
thought that a team name like the "Braves" was actually an endorsement of the 
Indian culture.  Perhaps the only one that might infringe would be the teams 
actually called "Indians", but Irish people are proud for Notre Dame to be 
called the "fighting Irish". 

 I guess my experience interecting with Indians is different than most 
people, but they seem  (except for the alcohol issue) just like anybody else, 
just with a bit more inmteresting background .............

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--- On Fri, 12/5/08, Lynda <lurine AT softcom.net> wrote:

> From: Lynda <lurine AT softcom.net>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Who attacked whom? (was: It's almost over)
> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 4:38 PM
> Oh, the government can be very effective and efficient,
> particularly when it 
> joins with big business.  We're talking major teaching
> hospitals who were 
> part and parcel in this particular eugenics project.
> 
> And another way they are efficient is that the government
> has very 
> effectively kept the whole "Indian problem" under
> wraps.  The American 
> Indian is invisible and thus the government has been able
> to do as they 
> please with them.  The general American psych is programmed
> to see "drunken 
> Indian" and equating Indians with getting free stuff
> from the government.
> 
> Also, one of the problems is evidenced in this e-mail,
> "then its way too far 
> removed for me to feel personal or familial guilt." 
> One, no one is 
> expecting you to feel guilt.  Generally, "we"
> don't work that way.  We're 
> generally wired different.  "We" are more like
> homesteaders.  We'd just like 
> the government to leave us alone and give us what we are
> owed.  We don't 
> want all the whining on t.v. or special treatment, nor do
> you see any of us 
> out there whining because of unfair/harsh court rulings
> that happen 
> everyday.
> 
> Plus, it isn't your great-grandparents who were
> responsible (guilt wise) for 
> the sterlization.  That's much closer to home than
> that, as was the Hep B 
> vaccine trials.  And, much, much closer to home is the Hep
> A vaccine trials! 
> Much closer as in the 1990s and 4-Corners (you're in AZ
> aren't you?) for the 
> Hep A vaccine!  And, once again IHS was the one of the main
> players.
> 
> And, it isn't so much a passion but rather just a
> desire to educate.  To 
> remove the blinders from just one person who might remove
> them from one more 
> person.  To have just one person look a little differently
> at the Nazi 
> Jew/Indian (the design was taken from cartoon characatures
> of Jews done by a 
> Nazi in the 1930s) on the baseball caps.  Just one person
> to lift an eyebrow 
> the next time someone says "yeah, I'm part Indian,
> my great-grandmother was 
> a Cherokee princess."  (ah, that means a
> hang-around-the-fort woman, aka. a 
> ho)
> 
> Lynda
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "bob ford" <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> 
> 
> > I'll have my eyes open in the future for this kind
> of material , Lynda. 
> > When I said 'ability' and used asbortion as an
> example, it was simply 
> > because that was an option discussed in some early
> general eugenics 
> > material.  But, my point was you had to physically
> have a woman for a 
> > number of days; not just a pill or a shot.
> >
> >  A hysterectomy was /is a big deal (you would know
> better than I).  I just 
> > can't see the d*mn gov't efficeient or
> effective enough to try to 
> > surgically sterilize an entire subset of people.
> >
> > I'm not on a lot of 'groups' sides, Lynda.
>  If 'My' great-grandparents or 
> > closer didn't do it to you, then it is way too far
> removed for me to feel 
> > personal or familial guilt.  But, our gov't made
> actual binding 'treaties' 
> > with the Indians.  That is a Constitutional obligation
> and I still have 
> > allegiance to the Constitution, unlike most of
> today's politicians and 
> > other assorted 'best and brightest' .........
> >
> > Thanks for the passion in your conversation.  I will
> keep an open mind 
> > concerning thios subject in the
> future.........................
> >
> >
> >
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> > --- On Fri, 12/5/08, Lynda <lurine AT softcom.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Lynda <lurine AT softcom.net>
> >> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Who attacked whom? (was:
> It's almost over)
> >> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> >> Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 1:24 PM
> >> The basis for your disbelief is faulty, Bob.
> >>
> >> 1.  ability:  I'm not sure how you would think
> they
> >> didn't have the ability
> >> to carry out sterilizations.  No offense but your
> medical
> >> knowledge in this
> >> area is lacking.  Hysterectomies have absolutely
> nothing to
> >> do with
> >> abortions and I don't understand why you are
> bringing
> >> that in as some sort
> >> of comparison.  Tubal ligations were quite common
> in the
> >> 60s and 70s.  I
> >> know, I had one in 1971.  Didn't work for long
> (8 years
> >> and 8 days to be
> >> exact) but I did have one, none the less.  It
> wasn't
> >> any big deal.
> >>
> >> 2.  motivation: motivation is what it has always
> been.  Get
> >> rid of the
> >> Indians and you get rid of the Treaty obligations.
>  And
> >> greed.  Those
> >> blooming worthless savages are sitting on oil rich
> fields,
> >> gas rich fields,
> >> gold, etc., etc., etc.
> >>
> >> 3.  Threat:  No one said anything about a threat.
> >> Governments don't always
> >> operate based on threat, implied or otherwise. 
> Governments
> >> operate on a
> >> multiple level basis.
> >>
> >> 4.  Putting Indians first in line is simple.  They
> were and
> >> are a captive
> >> audience, so to speak.  The only medical available
> to a
> >> large portion of the
> >> Indian population in the U.S. is via IHS.  No
> other ethnic
> >> group has health
> >> "insurance" provided solely for a single
> ethnic
> >> group and as the only
> >> medical available to them.
> >>
> >> 5.  Women were admitted to IHS controlled
> hospitals for
> >> supposed
> >> appendicitis, for supposed PID, for supposed
> ulcers, for
> >> supposed cancer,
> >> for supposed kidney failure, for supposed liver
> biopsy, for
> >> supposed cysts,
> >> for supposed [fill in the blank].
> >>
> >> 6.  Hysterectomies didn't take any longer then
> than
> >> they do now.  3 days in
> >> the hospital.  I know, I had one.
> >>
> >> 7.  Time and money?  Ah, it is government run. 
> The budgets
> >> were unlimited
> >> when it came to hospital admissions.  The only
> budget
> >> constraints were for
> >> day to day operating expenses for the clinics. 
> You are
> >> somehow confusing
> >> the average Joe on the street and how IHS works. 
> These
> >> people didn't have
> >> to have insurance.  It was promised as part of the
> >> Treaties.
> >>
> >> 8.  As Bev has also verified, as anyone who has
> ever tried
> >> to get
> >> documentation of something the government wants to
> hide
> >> knows, documentation
> >> only exists as long as the government wants it to.
>  Paper
> >> shredders were
> >> quite prevalent back then.  Perhaps you remember
> Nixon?
> >>
> >> 9.  The stats:  black: 13.6/1,000; white:
> 5.66/1,000;
> >> Cuban: 4.55/1,000;
> >> Puerto Rican:  7.82/1,000; Mexican:  5.47/1,000;
> >> Asian/Pacific Islander:
> >> 4.67/1,000; Central/South American:  4.65/1,000;
> American
> >> Indian:
> >> 8.45/1,000.  BTW, mortality rates are based on any
> baby who
> >> dies before
> >> their 1st birthday, not just babies who die at
> birth.
> >>
> >> Along with that, one should probably have the
> current birth
> >> rates and
> >> fertility rates (they aren't one and the
> same):  black:
> >>  70.8/1,000, 3;
> >> white: 58.4/1,000, 2.3; Cuban:  53.2/1,000, 1.5;
> Puerto
> >> Rican: 68.4/1,000,
> >> 2.9; Mexican:  118.9/1,000, 3.2; Asian/Pacific
> Islander:
> >> 66.6/1,000, 2.7;
> >> Central/South American:  97.8/1,000, 2.9; American
> Indian:
> >> 59.9/1,000, 2.2.
> >>
> >> Lynda
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "bob ford"
> <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> >>
> >>
> >> > Lynda, , it isn't that I don't
> believe the
> >> gov't is capable in moral
> >> > terms, gov'ts have no scruples.  And, the
> >> 'people' in our gov't have
> >> > certainly proved themselved to be unethical
> to the
> >> point that I would have
> >> > no problems believing you if not for two
> reasons --
> >> ability and
> >> > motivation.
> >> >
> >> >  The numbers of Indians , by the 1960s were
> too few to
> >> be much of a
> >> > threat.  What would be the motivation ? 
> Ability, how?
> >>  If the gov't had
> >> > the ability to "perform" eugenics,
> other
> >> than thru abortion, which
> >> > technology back then did not allow a clear
> look at the
> >> fetus; then why was
> >> > it not used on other  subsets of society ?
> >> >
> >> > That is what I meant by
> "unbelieveable".  I
> >> don't find it believeable that
> >> > we had the 'know-how ; or that, even if
> we did,
> >> that our gov't motivations
> >> > would havem put Indians first in line .
> >> >
> >> > You have to have the physical body , for a
> period of
> >> time, to do a
> >> > surgical sterilization.  It would have been
> slower and
> >> more expensive back
> >> > then.  The time and money required would have
> been too
> >> great and there
> >> > should have been much documentation, even if
> done
> >> surreptiously by people
> >> > involved and later released against the
> wishes of the
> >> gov't.
> >> >
> >> > I was surprised to read about the higher
> birth rates
> >> of Indian women.
> >> > But, they didn't mention infant mortality
> rates
> >> among those same women?
> >> > I'm not a moralist, I but can empathize
> with your
> >> personal feelings about
> >> > what happended to your people.  As I said
> before, the
> >> reason that I
> >> > believe in the Indian fight against the
> gov't , as
> >> opposed to other
> >> > groups, has nothing to do with morals.  We
> have a
> >> Constitution that
> >> > demands that we abide by our treaties.  The
> gov't
> >> made treaties with
> >> > Indians.  To me, the Constitution has to be
> obeyed.
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --- On Thu, 12/4/08, Lynda
> <lurine AT softcom.net>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> From: Lynda <lurine AT softcom.net>
> >> >> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Who attacked
> whom? (was:
> >> It's almost over)
> >> >> To: bobford79 AT yahoo.com,
> >> homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> >> >> Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 9:37 PM
> >> >> Bob, do you really expect the white guys
> who were
> >> >> responsible to accept the real numbers. 
> Each and
> >> every
> >> >> report says they only checked with 4 of
> the 12
> >> health
> >> >> services.  They only came up with a small
> number.
> >> Gee, why
> >> >> am I surprised.
> >> >>
> >> >> And, no, I don't know that alcohol
> effects
> >> birthrates
> >> >> in this instance because I have yet to
> see alcohol
> >> do a
> >> >> hysterectomy or a visectomy.  If you can
> find me
> >> any data
> >> >> where that happens, I'd be more than
> willing
> >> to
> >> >> apologize and accept that I might be
> wrong.
> >> >>
> >> >> Now, for someone who doesn't trust
> the
> >> government at
> >> >> all.  Someone who is usually quite happy,
> even
> >> eager, to
> >> >> jump on the conspiracy bandwagons for a
> whole raft
> >> of
> >> >> things, why is it that you are now a card
> carrying
> >> >> government supporter?
> >> >>
> >> >> Do you honestly think the government is
> going to
> >> release
> >> >> the real numbers?
> >> >>
> >> >> I'll admit that the Indian is
> generally the
> >> >> Indian's worst enemy.  There is a
> whole
> >> culture of
> >> >> don't complain and accept with
> silence.
> >> Complaining is
> >> >> seen as whining.  There is no way
> you'll ever
> >> see a
> >> >> Jesse Jackson Jr. or Sharpton from any
> rez.  Even
> >> the
> >> >> protests in Washington and Sac were done
> rather
> >> quietly and
> >> >> with dignity.
> >> >>
> >> >> The IHS has systematically destroyed as
> many
> >> records as
> >> >> possible.  Most tubal ligations were
> listed as
> >> DNCs.
> >> >> Hysterectomies were frequently listed as
> >> appendectomies.
> >> >> I worked on some of this.  Believe me,
> the 40%
> >> (female) and
> >> >> 10% (male) are probably low!  The only
> way to get
> >> true
> >> >> numbers would be to find each and every
> female who
> >> was seen
> >> >> at any of the IHS and IHS satellite
> offices for a
> >> 20 year
> >> >> period.  Records have conveniently
> disappeared
> >> "oh,
> >> >> they are in storage."  "Oh,
> sorry, the
> >> roof leaked
> >> >> and they were destroyed."  "Oh,
> we
> >> changed systems
> >> >> and I can't find the records that
> belong with
> >> the old
> >> >> numbering system."  "Oh, we
> only keep
> >> records
> >> >> until they they are 3 years past
> 21."
> >> >>
> >> >> Please do tell why you would have a need
> to do a
> >> >> hysterectomy on a TWELVE YEAR OLD!
> >> >>
> >> >> Most of these women were scared spitless
> of
> >> reprisals by
> >> >> the government and wouldn't come
> forward.
> >> Many had been
> >> >> threatened with having their children
> removed from
> >> their
> >> >> homes.  Many had their children taken
> away from
> >> them.  It
> >> >> was routine for them to be threatened
> (Head Start,
> >> CPS,
> >> >> p.s.) and to then have no recourse.  You
> seem to
> >> forget that
> >> >> until the 1930s, an Indian had no rights
> in court.
> >>  The
> >> >> government could and did do whatever they
> pleased.
> >> Everyone
> >> >> knew what the government had done to the
> Osage.
> >> No one else
> >> >> wanted a government conservator who was
> just as
> >> likely to
> >> >> murder you as they were to be an actual
> >> conservator.
> >> >>
> >> >> Your government has a LONG history of
> eugenics
> >> against the
> >> >> People!
> >> >>
> >> >> Lynda
> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From:
> "bob
> >> ford"
> >> >> <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > I just read the first two paragraphs
> and will
> >> read the
> >> >> rest later.  So far, it says some Indians
> have
> >> accused the
> >> >> gov't of sterilizing up to 25% (which
> I still
> >> find
> >> >> unbelieveable).  I'l finish later but
> think
> >> you might be
> >> >> exaggerating.  You know as well as I do,
> that
> >> alcohol has
> >> >> something to do with the birthrate.  It
> might not
> >> be
> >> >> politically correct to say, but alcohol
> affects
> >> Indians
> >> >> differently than others.  I will read
> further.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --- On Thu, 12/4/08, Lynda
> >> <lurine AT softcom.net>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> From: Lynda
> <lurine AT softcom.net>
> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Who
> attacked
> >> whom? (was:
> >> >> It's almost over)
> >> >> >> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> >> >> >> Date: Thursday, December 4,
> 2008, 4:47 PM
> >> >> >> Ah, Bob.  I would suggest you do
> some
> >> reading
> >> >> about history.
> >> >> >>  The government
> >> >> >> instituted a program in the 60s
> and 70s
> >> inwhich
> >> >> they
> >> >> >> sterilized over 40% of
> >> >> >> the Indians who were of child
> bearing
> >> age.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Wouldn't think of giving you
> any
> >> newspaper
> >> >> article but
> >> >> >> I would refer you to
> >> >> >> Congressional records!  The GAO
> report.
> >> The
> >> >> American
> >> >> >> Indian Policy Review
> >> >> >> Commission's Report on
> Indian Health.
> >>  Public
> >> >> Health
> >> >> >> Aspects of
> >> >> >> Contraceptive Serilization. 
> American
> >> Indian Women
> >> >> and IHS
> >> >> >> Sterlization
> >> >> >> Practices.  Killing Our Future:
> >> Sterlization and
> >> >> >> Experiments.  And Then
> >> >> >> There Were None:  Is Federal
> Policy
> >> Endangering
> >> >> the
> >> >> >> American Indian Species.
> >> >> >> Also, numerous articles in well
> respected
> >> journals
> >> >> such as
> >> >> >> the American
> >> >> >> Journal of Public Health and
> even the
> >> U.S. Dept.
> >> >> of HEW has
> >> >> >> many reports on
> >> >> >> this.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Here's one article just to
> get you
> >> started
> >> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> http://muse.jhu.edu/journals/american_indian_quarterly/v024/24.3lawrence.html
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Lynda
> >> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> >> "bob
> >> >> ford" <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> >> >> >> To: "Lynda"
> >> <lurine AT softcom.net>;
> >> >> >>
> <homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> >> >> >> Sent: Thursday, December 04,
> 2008 3:30 PM
> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Who
> attacked
> >> whom? (was:
> >> >> It's
> >> >> >> almost over)
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > Now, I have completely
> agreed with
> >> your
> >> >> greviances, as
> >> >> >> an Indian, and said
> >> >> >> > that the gov't is
> required to
> >> make things
> >> >> right ,
> >> >> >> because of the
> >> >> >> > Constitution.  Why do you
> have to
> >> throw in
> >> >> something
> >> >> >> like sterilizing 40%
> >> >> >> > of the modern Indians, 
> That has not
> >> >> happened.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >  The gov't did have a
> hand in
> >> killing off
> >> >> many
> >> >> >> (most) Indians, and
> >> >> >> > stealing your land through
> broken
> >> treaties.
> >> >> But,
> >> >> >> I'm going to need more
> >> >> >> > than a left-wing newspaper
> article
> >> to believe
> >> >> that we
> >> >> >> (the gov't)
> >> >> >> > sterilized 40% of the few
> of you
> >> that were
> >> >> left.  If
> >> >> >> they did that
> >> >> >> > successfully, why did they
> not do it
> >> to
> >> >> >> "blacks" when they
> were in the
> >> >> >> > unfavorable column?  It
> wasn't
> >> >> >> possible.............
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > p.s. My cherokee friend was
> not at
> >> boarding
> >> >> school.
> >> >> >> His father was a cop.
> >> >> >> > My friend played all
> sports, was in
> >> the
> >> >> normal clubs,
> >> >> >> did all of the
> >> >> >> > normal stuff.  He was proud
> of his
> >> Cherokee
> >> >> heritage,
> >> >> >> but he was just one
> >> >> >> > of the guys.  Maybe, today,
> he looks
> >> at it
> >> >> >> differently, I don't know.
> >> >> >> > 'haven't talked to
> him in
> >> >> >>
> >> decades.....................................
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > --- On Thu, 12/4/08, Lynda
> >> >> <lurine AT softcom.net>
> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> From: Lynda
> >> <lurine AT softcom.net>
> >> >> >> >> Subject: Re:
> [Homestead] Who
> >> attacked
> >> >> whom? (was:
> >> >> >> It's almost over)
> >> >> >> >> To:
> bobford79 AT yahoo.com,
> >> >> >> homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> >> >> >> >> Date: Thursday,
> December 4,
> >> 2008, 4:21 PM
> >> >> >> >> We have never been of
> the whine
> >> and
> >> >> snivel type
> >> >> >> <g>
> >> >> >> >> We've begun using
> the
> >> courts, the
> >> >> Constitution
> >> >> >> AND the
> >> >> >> >> UN.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> And, yup, I'll bet
> your
> >> friend did
> >> >> consider
> >> >> >> himself
> >> >> >> >> "white"
> because that
> >> was a way
> >> >> to
> >> >> >> survive.  AND,
> >> >> >> >> also a wanted result
> from the
> >> boarding
> >> >> schools.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> The boarding schools
> didn't
> >> take with
> >> >> us so
> >> >> >> well.  In
> >> >> >> >> fact, just made most of
> my aunts
> >> and
> >> >> uncles and
> >> >> >> cousins,
> >> >> >> >> etc. more anti-white,
> >> anti-christian. Of
> >> >> course,
> >> >> >> part of it
> >> >> >> >> might have to do with
> those nice
> >> >> christian folks
> >> >> >> killing my
> >> >> >> >> uncle.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Nope, we aren't
> multiplying
> >> like
> >> >> other folks.
> >> >> >> The
> >> >> >> >> government went out of
> their way
> >> to be
> >> >> sure the
> >> >> >> red folks
> >> >> >> >> couldn't multiple. 
> When you
> >> >> sterilize over
> >> >> >> 40% of any
> >> >> >> >> given ethnic population
>  you
> >> kind of put
> >> >> a crimp
> >> >> >> in their
> >> >> >> >> reproductive activies. 
> Guess
> >> they were
> >> >> scared
> >> >> >> that we
> >> >> >> >> viewed them all as more
> >> potential
> >> >> Custards and
> >> >> >> might invoke
> >> >> >> >> more Ghost Dances
> <g>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Lynda
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> P.S.  Don't anyone
> going
> >> assigning
> >> >> tone to
> >> >> >> these
> >> >> >> >> e-mails.  I'm just
> sharing
> >> facts and
> >> >> writing
> >> >> >> as I would
> >> >> >> >> speak if we were all
> sitting
> >> around the
> >> >> woodstove
> >> >> >> sharing
> >> >> >> >> some pasta e figoli
> (made using
> >> my smoked
> >> >> turkey
> >> >> >> broth) with
> >> >> >> >> hot garlic bread
> (dinner tonight
> >> >> <g>)
> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message
> -----
> >> From:
> >> >> "bob
> >> >> >> ford"
> >> >> >> >>
> <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> > The problem with
> what you
> >> wrote
> >> >> Lynda is that
> >> >> >> there
> >> >> >> >> are not enough of you
> left to
> >> get away
> >> >> with being
> >> >> >> as
> >> >> >> >> antagonistic as the
> >> "Black" or
> >> >> >> "brown"
> >> >> >> >> "folks" --
> and , it is
> >> starting
> >> >> to wear
> >> >> >> thin and
> >> >> >> >> not work as well for
> them, also.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Your people have
> not
> >> multiplied in
> >> >> sufficient
> >> >> >> numbers
> >> >> >> >> as did the black and
> brown
> >> people (I
> >> >> guess you are
> >> >> >> old
> >> >> >> >> school and consider
> your self
> >> >> "Red").
> >> >> >> The good
> >> >> >> >> full blood Cherokee
> friend I had
> >> growing
> >> >> up
> >> >> >> considered
> >> >> >> >> himself
> "white".
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > The Treaties and
> the
> >> Constitution
> >> >> really is
> >> >> >> your ace
> >> >> >> >> in the hole
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
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