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[rayzentz AT aim.com]

In my opinion, most of the race hustlers ARE black.?Jesse Jackson, Al 
Sharpton, and their ilk rely on a victim status on the part of blacks to 
maintain their own power.

Bigotry exists, and probably always will.

Those who wish to atone are of course free to do so. Don't take MY money to 
do it.

Yes, I worked on several reservations during my career. Gros 
Ventres/Assiniboine, Blackfeet, and Spirit Lake tribes, to be specific, and 
yep, they are dumpy looking places, for the most part. So is any slum I have 
seen. To few pick up after themselves.

I also saw EXTREMELY poor living conditions in China (again 25 years ago), 
but they were still well kept, and clean.

It has always been my opinion, that in the long run, the best thing we could 
do for the american indians is eliminate totally the reservations. After all, 
we've broken most of the other treaties, as you said. Might as well make a 
clean sweep, and be consistant.

Ray


-----Original Message-----
From: bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 2:02 pm
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Who attacked whom? (was: It's almost over)



That is actually a very independent libertarian minded stement, Ray.  Though, 
I 
do in principle think that there should be some atonement; everything that we 
have done since the 1960s has made the plight of the black folk worse.  The 
black folk who have achieved are the ones who quit listening to the race 
hustlers.

  The Indians are different.  We had a natural right to conquer the country, 
I 
suppose.  All people have conquered other peoples in one way or the other, 
over 
time.  But, as a gov't we made 'Treaties".  The Constitution says that we 
must 
honor those "Treaties".  Have you ever been to a reservation (not a flashy , 
gaudy Casino -- a real reservation).  I'd be p*ssed if I was an Indian....
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--- On Thu, 12/4/08, rayzentz AT aim.com <rayzentz AT aim.com> wrote:

> From: rayzentz AT aim.com <rayzentz AT aim.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Who attacked whom? (was: It's almost over)
> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 1:50 PM
> Sorry. I am not responsible for the actions of my
> predecessors, and thus have nothing for which I am required
> to atone.
> 
> Your argument has been used many times, in attempts to take
> from others. It is no more valid when voiced by you, than
> when voiced by other Apologists.
> 
> Ray
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gene GeRue <genegerue AT ruralize.com>
> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Sent: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 1:37 pm
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Who attacked whom? (was: It's
> almost over)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 4, 2008, at 1:32 PM, EarthNSky wrote:
> >
> > Bin Laden declared war on the US in 1996.
> > Al Qaeda declared war on us in 1998.
> 
> So, they were upfront about their positions and intentions.
> 
> That is more honorable than how our predecessors treated
> native  
> Americans and how our prior countrymen treated the black
> race until  
> quite recently.
> 
> We have much to atone for.
> 
> 
> 
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