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[bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>]

Lynn, first; I believe you think I'm am arguing with you about what you would 
like to see happen.  I'm not.  From everything you have wriiten on this list 
for the past 6 months or so, I'd say I agree with you on 95% of eveything you 
desire from government and economy.  I just disagree about the lengths to 
which the "haves" will go to hang on to what they "have".

There should, 'right now', be thousands of indictments against bankers, 
brokers,CEOs, politicians; most of them coming from a general geograpghic 
area on the eastern seaboard -- from New york and New Jersey, to Connecticut 
and Delaware.  I have yet to see one damn perp walk.

I've said this before; they will put a man in prison for stealing a video 
game -- Prison.  Robert Rubin,one man, has destroyed more wealth than almost 
any human in history. Yet,  He is one the main main advisors to our President 
-elect and still worth hundreds of millions of dollars -- Not Prison. There 
is 'something' wrong with our culture; our idea of right and wrong and 
justice.

If the electronic blips no longer work as currency, the powerful will simply 
issue themselves the equivalent amount of whatever becomes the new currency.

If they use hard currency (gold); BO's masters will direct him to outlaw the 
private ownership of gold and confiscate it from the citizenry -- just as FDR 
did..........

You have greater faith in the decency of the people in power.  Thhat is our 
big disagreement.  I have faith that they will remain as unscrupulous, 
bloodthirsty and ruthless as ever...................bobford

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--- On Fri, 11/28/08, Lynn Wigglesworth <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com> wrote:

> From: Lynn Wigglesworth <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Kuntsler , new commentary, super-inflation
> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Friday, November 28, 2008, 9:10 AM
> I disagree. What power will the powerful have when their
> digital money 
> doesn't mean anything? Like everything being a
> business, so is government. 
> Once they stop paying the employees, or the employees
> can't buy food with 
> their worthless paper money, it will grind to a halt.
> Powerful people 
> playing with their power is such a game. They'll have
> much bigger things to 
> worry about than little old me selling raw milk illegally
> or not having a 
> permit to sell nursery plants.
> 
> 'We' (not just the fringe, but most people)  are
> not represented in 
> government...we've known that for a LONG time, which is
> why we've opted out 
> of society in a large way. Believe me, the LAST thing I
> want is for people 
> in power to care about me. I just want them to leave me
> alone and stop 
> making laws that make it harder for me to live.
> 
> I doubt that the 'hordes' will make it this
> far...I'm more than 250 miles 
> from a large city...they will run out of gas around
> Scranton.  They'd all 
> have heart attacks before they could walk this far. If any
> are clever enough 
> to make it this far, they'd be smart enough to look
> ahead; I'd welcome them 
> if they'd pull their weight on the farm.
> 
> >Look at what has happened now.  All of these great
> minds -- >the best and 
> >the brightest-- have destroyed our economy and >our
> culture.  Cost us 
> >trillions  and trillions.  They are the >biggest
> losers in history; the 
> >biggest thieves in history; the >worst human
> parasites in history.
> 
> I don't disagree that they are the worst human
> parasites in history. But 
> they clearly are NOT the best and the brightest, given the
> results. They 
> have detroyed a false economy, where 'value' is an
> electronic blip and can 
> be created or destroyed in an instant. It amuses me to
> watch the floor of 
> the stock exchange, where so many people pretend that
> it's real.  There is 
> still a real economy in this country, where people create
> real things and 
> trade them for other real things. "Destroyed our
> culture"? I think not. 
> Culture doesn't come from those on top of the pile.  I
> think you 
> underestimate people.
> 
> Lynn Wigglesworth
> Tioga Co. PA
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "bob ford" <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> To: <homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 10:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Kuntsler , new commentary,
> super-inflation
> 
> 
> > People in power , first, protect themselves and their
> power.  The people 
> > living in the cities will be of much greater concern
> to them thean people 
> > living in the "fringe" areas.  They already
> are now, and will be more-so 
> > as times become worse.  That is simply using reason. 
> Ruralites have very 
> > little power 'now'.  When things really
> unravel, they will have 'none'.
> >
> > Maybe your semi-isolation will afford you a few extra,
> days, weeks, 
> > months, of security.  But, that's all.  If I
> really thought that moving to 
> > a steady isolated place was 'the' answer, my
> decision wopuld already be 
> > made.  The problem is , there are no real isolated
> areas outside of the 
> > West, far enough away from major metropolitan areas to
> really be 
> > considered, by me, safe.  Safer,- sure- but, not safe.
> >
> > Look at what has happened now.  All of these great
> minds -- the best and 
> > the brightest-- have destroyed our economy and our
> culture.  Cost us 
> > trillions  and trillions.  They are the biggest losers
> in history; the 
> > biggest thieves in history; the worst human parasites
> in history.  \\
> >
> > Have they lost their wealth and/ or power?
> >
> > Now; Have the people who were frugal and rational
> benefitted from their 
> > frugality and rationality?
> >
> > The answer to both is 'No".
> >
> > Nobody in power cares about you or James or Bev or my
> brothers or my 
> > parents. And, they only care about me, right now, in
> the sense that I vote 
> > in a densely populated city in a  swing state.  The
> idea that today, you 
> > or I are being 'represented' in any way that
> the Constitution demanded, is 
> > an illusion, soon to give up its veneer.
> >
> > When the people in the city become hungry they will go
> to the suburbs and 
> > take what they want, and then to the exurbs, and then
> to the countryside. 
> > Do you think that when people are hungry, hot , and
> dirty that they will 
> > respect your private property rights?  Do you think
> the government will 
> > all of a sudden begin to care?
> >
> > I am the 'fringe'.  Read my thoughts.  I just
> don't believe living "x" 
> > miles from a metro area makes you much safer than when
> you lived in 
> > downtown Phiolly.  At the right time, you would have
> needed to leave 
> > Philly; but that could also be the case in the exurb
> where you live now.
> > I think Don's 'bedouin' idea , until the
> last minute, is sounding smarter 
> > and smarter..................bobford
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> > --- On Fri, 11/28/08, Lynn Wigglesworth
> <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>
> >> What do you mean by "false sense of
> security"?
> >> Because we think we will come  out OK when thimgs
> fall apart?  I think 
> >> that 'we'(the fringe) are so fed up with
> the way things are that we 
> >> welcome major change, no matter how painful it may
> be. Just wanting and 
> >> being ready for the kinds of change Kuntsler talks
> about gives us the 
> >> advantage. I can't be responsible for people
> who choose to live in the 
> >> city; they will have to find their own way. It
> will be sad times, moreso 
> >> for some than others. The more immersed one is in
> the  status quo, the 
> >> harder change will be.
> >>
> >> Lynn Wigglesworth
> >> Tioga Co. PA
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
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