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["Lynn Wigglesworth" <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com>]

I disagree. What power will the powerful have when their digital money 
doesn't mean anything? Like everything being a business, so is government. 
Once they stop paying the employees, or the employees can't buy food with 
their worthless paper money, it will grind to a halt. Powerful people 
playing with their power is such a game. They'll have much bigger things to 
worry about than little old me selling raw milk illegally or not having a 
permit to sell nursery plants.

'We' (not just the fringe, but most people)  are not represented in 
government...we've known that for a LONG time, which is why we've opted out 
of society in a large way. Believe me, the LAST thing I want is for people 
in power to care about me. I just want them to leave me alone and stop 
making laws that make it harder for me to live.

I doubt that the 'hordes' will make it this far...I'm more than 250 miles 
from a large city...they will run out of gas around Scranton.  They'd all 
have heart attacks before they could walk this far. If any are clever enough 
to make it this far, they'd be smart enough to look ahead; I'd welcome them 
if they'd pull their weight on the farm.

> Look at what has happened now.  All of these great minds -- >the best and 
> the brightest-- have destroyed our economy and >our culture.  Cost us 
> trillions  and trillions.  They are the >biggest losers in history; the 
> biggest thieves in history; the >worst human parasites in history.

I don't disagree that they are the worst human parasites in history. But 
they clearly are NOT the best and the brightest, given the results. They 
have detroyed a false economy, where 'value' is an electronic blip and can 
be created or destroyed in an instant. It amuses me to watch the floor of 
the stock exchange, where so many people pretend that it's real.  There is 
still a real economy in this country, where people create real things and 
trade them for other real things. "Destroyed our culture"? I think not. 
Culture doesn't come from those on top of the pile.  I think you 
underestimate people.

Lynn Wigglesworth
Tioga Co. PA

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "bob ford" <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
To: <homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Kuntsler , new commentary, super-inflation


> People in power , first, protect themselves and their power.  The people 
> living in the cities will be of much greater concern to them thean people 
> living in the "fringe" areas.  They already are now, and will be more-so 
> as times become worse.  That is simply using reason.  Ruralites have very 
> little power 'now'.  When things really unravel, they will have 'none'.
>
> Maybe your semi-isolation will afford you a few extra, days, weeks, 
> months, of security.  But, that's all.  If I really thought that moving to 
> a steady isolated place was 'the' answer, my decision wopuld already be 
> made.  The problem is , there are no real isolated areas outside of the 
> West, far enough away from major metropolitan areas to really be 
> considered, by me, safe.  Safer,- sure- but, not safe.
>
> Look at what has happened now.  All of these great minds -- the best and 
> the brightest-- have destroyed our economy and our culture.  Cost us 
> trillions  and trillions.  They are the biggest losers in history; the 
> biggest thieves in history; the worst human parasites in history.  \\
>
> Have they lost their wealth and/ or power?
>
> Now; Have the people who were frugal and rational benefitted from their 
> frugality and rationality?
>
> The answer to both is 'No".
>
> Nobody in power cares about you or James or Bev or my brothers or my 
> parents. And, they only care about me, right now, in the sense that I vote 
> in a densely populated city in a  swing state.  The idea that today, you 
> or I are being 'represented' in any way that the Constitution demanded, is 
> an illusion, soon to give up its veneer.
>
> When the people in the city become hungry they will go to the suburbs and 
> take what they want, and then to the exurbs, and then to the countryside. 
> Do you think that when people are hungry, hot , and dirty that they will 
> respect your private property rights?  Do you think the government will 
> all of a sudden begin to care?
>
> I am the 'fringe'.  Read my thoughts.  I just don't believe living "x" 
> miles from a metro area makes you much safer than when you lived in 
> downtown Phiolly.  At the right time, you would have needed to leave 
> Philly; but that could also be the case in the exurb where you live now.
> I think Don's 'bedouin' idea , until the last minute, is sounding smarter 
> and smarter..................bobford
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> --- On Fri, 11/28/08, Lynn Wigglesworth <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> > What do you mean by "false sense of security"?
> > Because we think we will come  out OK when thimgs fall apart?  I think 
> > that 'we'(the fringe) are so fed up with the way things are that we 
> > welcome major change, no matter how painful it may be. Just wanting and 
> > being ready for the kinds of change Kuntsler talks about gives us the 
> > advantage. I can't be responsible for people who choose to live in the 
> > city; they will have to find their own way. It will be sad times, moreso 
> > for some than others. The more immersed one is in the  status quo, the 
> > harder change will be.
> >
> > Lynn Wigglesworth
> > Tioga Co. PA
>
>
>
>
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