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Lisa K.V. Perry wrote:

> 
> Supposedly it should have ended by now. And yet....
> 
>> When TSHTF [the s*** hits the fan]
>>> remember that it is Congress who is your enemy, not your neighbour.
> 
> Can we just say 'the government' in general?  To my thinking, not many in
> positions of power have done something positive for those of us without
> recently.
> 



Thus is the crux of the matter.  This is the same thing as what is happening 
on TV right at this minute...It is not us at fault, it is them!...not the 
President, but Congress, not the Senate, but the House, not the President, 
but Government, not the Republicans, but the Democrats, etc. etc.  I'm sick 
of the whole damn thing.  I was cutting onions for drying a few minutes ago 
while listening to Pelosi(and now Frank) and I swear I wanted to vomit.  
To my ears, she said, it was his plan(Bush) and we(Dem) did not like it, so 
we modified it, and now they(GOP) refuse to play and vote for it, blaming 
us(Dem).  We(Dem) did not really like the plan, but we voted for it because 
we had been asked to work on it by the Pres...but of course, they(GOP) aren't 
on board.  Republicans say they want protection for the people, that the 
Paulson plan was flawed, and that Dems/Pelosi should share the blame....yada 
yada yada...it is all finger pointing!
Obama says it failed because McCain meddled and intervened.
McCain makes fun of Obama for 'phoning in' orders.
<sigh>
When push comes to shove, 40% of Democrats voted no, along with the majority 
of Republicans...
When I hear Congress, I think Democrats..
When I hear Government, I think President...
It is finger pointing...
 don't think I am alone in seeing that..
I am just sickened by the whole lot of them, and make no mistake, Senator 
Obama is no better or worse than any other politician.  He is in this up to 
his neck, regardless of how he spins it.  
Politics as usual.
Watch the media for some kind of sob story, distractions...like whales in 
distress or kids in wells or something.
I recall hearing several years ago that the stock market really should be 
hovering around 1200 and not in the tens of thousands....will we go there?  
Will it be now or 6 months from now?




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If your son wants to make solar ovens to sell, I suggest he look at the "sun 
oven" for an example of one that works well.  I bought mine years ago, when 
someone on this list recommende, they were selling for over $200 then.

 I found one on a hiking/camping store type website, on sale for $99
delivered.  They don't take up much room and they work great.  They sell, 
today, used for about 200 bucks on ebay, when you can find one. ...bobford


--- On Mon, 9/29/08, Lisa K.V. Perry <lisakvperry AT gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Lisa K.V. Perry <lisakvperry AT gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Bill not passing
> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Monday, September 29, 2008, 1:35 PM
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 3:09 PM, bob ford
> <bobford79 AT yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Well , you could be right about much of your opinion.
> (snip)
> >
> > I'm not that worried about myself, James, other
> than personal safety and
> > investments losing money, my wife and I will be fine.
>  But, I have four
> > brothers down South, who all work hard for a living.
> I have acquaintances
> > here, some who work hard for a living.  I'm a bit
> concerned about myself.
> >  I'm damn concerned about my family, society &
> culture ...
>
>
> I hear both of you. I have made progress towards being
> self-sufficient but
> I'm light years away from being in your caliber, James.
>
> I'm not worried much for my husband and myself though I
> am concerned for my
> sons' future. Relatives who lived through the Great
> Depression probably
> still had moments of joy and peace, despite the hard times
> they went
> through. I'm hanging on to that.
>
> Btw, my boys are going to make a solar oven for a science
> project. Oldest is
> considering selling them pending the outcome.
>
> Spoke to my sister in Gainesville GA two nights ago. For
> years I've been the
> big sister 'preaching' to reduce their debt. Lately
> I've asked her to buy
> bulk food for her family (three kids ages 6 to 11). Her
> husband is a GM for
> a well known restaurant chain and his monthly bonus (which
> they wrongly
> count as income) will be reduced or non-existent based on
> September's sales
> and possibly for the foreseeable future. It might pick up
> over the holidays,
> but no guarantee. He rec'd the bonus for three years
> without fail, so it
> went from being treated as a 'bonus' to
> 'income'. She thinks he has enough
> seniority that he'll keep his job, but time will tell.
> She has been employed
> as an Office Mgr for a medical practice for 12 years, so
> her job is pretty
> safe. They can not make it on just one income. So, yes, I
> am concerned for
> them.
>
> I'm sure most of us on this list have similar tales of
> family or friends.
>
> Lisa
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