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[sindi keesan <keesan AT sdf.lonestar.org>]

On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 3aoo-cvfd AT dea.spamcon.org wrote:

> sindi keesan wrote:
> > How would you, on one line, set up an alias
> > to go into Xvesa
>
> I wouldn't.  Thats what xinit and ~/.xinitrc are for.
>
> > and load icewm and opera?
>
> Why?  Once icewm is loaded, you can simply load opera
> from the menu.

I want to just type O and get into opera, (or xp to get into xpdf) rather 
than using a menu, but also have the option of going into icewm (and rxvt) 
without opera. Even Windows lets you go straight into a particular 
program.

> > I have something that works even if it is not correct.
>
> Really?  I though you said you couldn't get rxvt to remain.

It gets me to Opera but not back to an rxvt (I will put back the file 
needed for icewm to run with a menu).

Once I got it to work the way I wanted but it was not repeatable.

> > I could not find any way to get past the grey screen
> > with X
>
> xinit and ~/.xinitrc
>
> > I also want to be able to go directly from CLI to
> > opera since that is usually what I use X for.

> ~/.xinitrc
> -----------
> opera &
> exec icewm
> ----------

But then xinit will ALWAYS put me into opera and I only want it sometimes 
but I want to be able to go straight there and then also have an rxvt.


> > I don't understand how .initrc works so I have avoided it.
> > Also it is not minimalist,
>
> How exactly is a 46-byte alias more minimalist than a
> 18-byte .xinitrc?

It saves me time to use the alias.  I guess that is not minimalist as far 
as bytes but it is for time.  With .xinitrc I could make an alias X to go 
into X but then I would need to type Ctrl-ESC and O for opera.  I want to 
type just O for opera, one keystroke instead of four.  Not even counting 
the shift key.

> > I have a bare-bones icewm without icons or menu,
>
> All you are doing is running icewm without its config files.
> The menu file is so small and so useful that it's silly to
> leave it out.

What is it called?   I also don't have any of the tabs or the picture of 
the computer or the icons for minimize-maximize at right upper corner.
Those are probably from a theme, which I also left out.

> > How can I get an rxvt to be open after I exit opera,
>
> Start rxvt without the -e parameter.

Does -e mean the same as exec?  Can I type
something like Xvesa &rxvt opera& icewm or do I need exec in there too?

> > Can you suggest some line with Xvesa -screen 640x480x16
> > icewm opera and rxvt that will do this?

> No I won't.  You are barking up the wrong tree.  The
> standard way of doing this (.xinitrc) is the simplest.
But it does NOT let me go into Opera directly SOME of the time and just as 
far as icewm the rest of the time.  I don't mind using xinit to get me 
into X without running a program but sometimes I know I want to run opera 
immediately and might want to run something else later in the same X.


> Your alias just gets more and complicated.  If you
> insist on doing it that way, just start icewm and use
> the menu to start rxvt, opera or whatever.

More keystrokes.  I have a dyslexic partner who prefers that everything be 
a single character.  On the laptop I set him up with X to get into Xvesa 
in 4 colors (instead of a replacement 'startx').

He came up with A for mount /dev/fd0 /fd and CD for mount /dev/hdc /cd
and uA and uCD to unmount them and still he sometimes hits the wrong key.
In DOS he has made himself several pages of these 1 or 2-letter commands 
and can somehow remember them all.

I gave him O for opera and on his computer there is a menu when he quits 
opera.  I will figure out what files I need for the menu and theme on 
mine.

> > (And try it out yourself).
>
> I am completely happy with the .xinitrc method and
> have no interest in debugging your kludge.
>
> > Is -e the same as exec?
>
> man rxvt
I have trouble understanding man pages but will try again.  I would like 
to know what this all means.

> > can I set up several .xinitrc's and choose between them?
>
> man xinit
>
> Cheers,
> Steven
>
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