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["Tradingpost" <tradingpost@lobo.net>]

Qui bono. I'd question the source of any such "documentaries".

paul tradingpost@lobo.net

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On 6/9/2011 at 9:26 PM John D'hondt wrote:

>That is one of the things that worry me Paul. There should be a
>measurable
>and fast rise in sea level but I have seen whole documentaries
>explaining/proving that exactly the opposite is happening. I wish I were
>certain myself but confusion rules.
>john
>
>>
>> OK with me, I'm just judging from the amount of sea ice melting.
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>> On 6/8/2011 at 10:14 PM John D'hondt wrote:
>>
>>>Just replying to the last paragraph Paul. There is a hell of a lot of
>>>confusion at the moment. It is not easy to see whether sea levels rise or
>>>fall when the tidal differences are huge in comparison. I have seen
>>>scientific articles going in either direction and the last one from only
>a
>>>few weeks ago measured sea levels with gps and satellites and found a
>>>drop.
>>>Time will tell if we are still around.
>>>john
>>>>
>>>> to the question "why panic if we should move towards the same levels of
>>>> green
>>>> house gas as in the Carboniferous?"
>>>>
>>>> it would destroy civilization and most species adapted to modern
>climate
>>>> including humans of course
>>>>
>>>> sea water is rising slowly, and if the sun was hotter some scientists
>>>> somewhere would be telling us and others would be verifying it
>>>>
>>>> paul tradingpost@lobo.net
>>>>
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>>>> On 6/7/2011 at 7:42 PM John D'hondt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The models are based on human emissions alone, and do not include
>>>>>>> heat-amplifying feedbacks from melting ice or changes in carbon
>>>>>>> sinks.
>>>>>>> When those are factored in, it moves the timetable forward so that
>>>>>>> "reaching four degrees by 2060 is a plausible, worst-case scenario"
>>>>>with
>>>>>>> the median being 2070. By 2100, 5.5 degrees is possible, he said.
>>>>>> If it only includes human emissions and doesn't consider melting
>>>>>> hydrates, permafrost decay, or feedbacks, then it isn't even close to
>>>>>> the worst case scenario.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Everyone is so afraid to speak the whole truth on this topic because
>>>the
>>>>>> whole truth is worse than the "alarmists".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dan C.
>>>>>
>>>>>I could not agree more Dan. Imo most people, even scientists, might not
>>>be
>>>>>able to take the whole truth. Our species is very good at extremely
>over
>>>>>simplified dichotomies. Most are by now convinced climate change is
>>>taking
>>>>>place. Ice is melting everywhere. But is that our fault? Or is the sun
>>>>>indeed putting out more enery?
>>>>>Worst case scenario is if both are right at the same time. There were
>>>>>times
>>>>>on earth that CO2 levels were higher than they are now and life was
>>>>>abundant. So why panic if we should move towards the same levels of
>>>>>green
>>>>>house gas as in the Carboniferous?
>>>>>If at the same time the sun puts out more energy we may very well all
>>>>>get
>>>>>fried is why.
>>>>>
>>>>>So many factors are still uncertain, ice is melting and sea water
>levels
>>>>>should be rising. Instead we seem to have had a sea level drop of 10 mm
>>>in
>>>>>just a few years according to some research and this scares me
>>>>>seriously.
>>>>>If that research is correct then where did all that water (many, many
>>>>>cubic
>>>>>miles of water) go?
>>>>>
>>>>>It is almost a certainty that if both humans and the sun are
>responsible
>>>>>that we may loose all water on Earth eventually. Just maybe this is
>what
>>>>>is
>>>>>happening already. And maybe this is the reason that serious people
>have
>>>>>the
>>>>>luxury to still be discussing temperature rises in single digits. Water
>>>>>escaping the atmosphere would have a serious cooling effect for a
>while.
>>>>>Nothing new here, at the very moment the Turks attacking Byzantium were
>>>>>breaking down the gates of that city the theologians inside where
>>>>>discussing
>>>>>with vigour the question of how many angels could dance at the one time
>>>on
>>>>>the point of a needle.
>>>>>
>>>>>In a real worst case scenario we may be getting temperature rises of a
>>>few
>>>>>hundred degrees.
>>>>>
>>>>>John
>>>>>
>>>>>>
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