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  • From: "Tradingpost" <tradingpost@lobo.net>
  • To: livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] Four Degrees of Devastation
  • Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 21:46:54 -0600


They can always pay some "expert" who isn't even a climate scientist to lie
like no tomorrow, and the moneybags come from the likes of Exxon-Mobil and
other big polluters who stand to lose money if climate science is taken
seriously. But these are credible websites:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/04/0420_040420_earthday.html
http://www.nwrc.usgs.gov/factshts/fs91_97.pdf
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/globalwarming.html#q9
http://www.nature.nps.gov/geology/coastal/gw_slr.cfm
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/235402/global-warming/274850/Ice-melt-and-sea-level-rise
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15774757

paul tradingpost@lobo.net


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On 6/9/2011 at 8:35 PM paul@oneseedling.com wrote:

>I guess the only question is where is the sea rising. No evidence on
>either coast of the US. Area around New Orleans is sinking but area around
>Corpus Christi the same.
>
>
>Paul the Skeptic
>
>On Jun 9, 2011, at 4:53 PM, "Tradingpost" <tradingpost@lobo.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Qui bono. I'd question the source of any such "documentaries".
>>
>> paul tradingpost@lobo.net
>>
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>>
>> On 6/9/2011 at 9:26 PM John D'hondt wrote:
>>
>>> That is one of the things that worry me Paul. There should be a
>>> measurable
>>> and fast rise in sea level but I have seen whole documentaries
>>> explaining/proving that exactly the opposite is happening. I wish I
>were
>>> certain myself but confusion rules.
>>> john
>>>
>>>>
>>>> OK with me, I'm just judging from the amount of sea ice melting.
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> On 6/8/2011 at 10:14 PM John D'hondt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Just replying to the last paragraph Paul. There is a hell of a lot of
>>>>> confusion at the moment. It is not easy to see whether sea levels
>rise or
>>>>> fall when the tidal differences are huge in comparison. I have seen
>>>>> scientific articles going in either direction and the last one from
>only
>>> a
>>>>> few weeks ago measured sea levels with gps and satellites and found a
>>>>> drop.
>>>>> Time will tell if we are still around.
>>>>> john
>>>>>>
>>>>>> to the question "why panic if we should move towards the same levels
>of
>>>>>> green
>>>>>> house gas as in the Carboniferous?"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> it would destroy civilization and most species adapted to modern
>>> climate
>>>>>> including humans of course
>>>>>>
>>>>>> sea water is rising slowly, and if the sun was hotter some scientists
>>>>>> somewhere would be telling us and others would be verifying it
>>>>>>
>>>>>> paul tradingpost@lobo.net
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/7/2011 at 7:42 PM John D'hondt wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The models are based on human emissions alone, and do not include
>>>>>>>>> heat-amplifying feedbacks from melting ice or changes in carbon
>>>>>>>>> sinks.
>>>>>>>>> When those are factored in, it moves the timetable forward so that
>>>>>>>>> "reaching four degrees by 2060 is a plausible, worst-case
>scenario"
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> the median being 2070. By 2100, 5.5 degrees is possible, he said.
>>>>>>>> If it only includes human emissions and doesn't consider melting
>>>>>>>> hydrates, permafrost decay, or feedbacks, then it isn't even close
>to
>>>>>>>> the worst case scenario.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Everyone is so afraid to speak the whole truth on this topic
>because
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> whole truth is worse than the "alarmists".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dan C.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I could not agree more Dan. Imo most people, even scientists, might
>not
>>>>> be
>>>>>>> able to take the whole truth. Our species is very good at extremely
>>> over
>>>>>>> simplified dichotomies. Most are by now convinced climate change is
>>>>> taking
>>>>>>> place. Ice is melting everywhere. But is that our fault? Or is the
>sun
>>>>>>> indeed putting out more enery?
>>>>>>> Worst case scenario is if both are right at the same time. There
>were
>>>>>>> times
>>>>>>> on earth that CO2 levels were higher than they are now and life was
>>>>>>> abundant. So why panic if we should move towards the same levels of
>>>>>>> green
>>>>>>> house gas as in the Carboniferous?
>>>>>>> If at the same time the sun puts out more energy we may very well
>all
>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>> fried is why.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So many factors are still uncertain, ice is melting and sea water
>>> levels
>>>>>>> should be rising. Instead we seem to have had a sea level drop of
>10 mm
>>>>> in
>>>>>>> just a few years according to some research and this scares me
>>>>>>> seriously.
>>>>>>> If that research is correct then where did all that water (many,
>many
>>>>>>> cubic
>>>>>>> miles of water) go?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is almost a certainty that if both humans and the sun are
>>> responsible
>>>>>>> that we may loose all water on Earth eventually. Just maybe this is
>>> what
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> happening already. And maybe this is the reason that serious people
>>> have
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> luxury to still be discussing temperature rises in single digits.
>Water
>>>>>>> escaping the atmosphere would have a serious cooling effect for a
>>> while.
>>>>>>> Nothing new here, at the very moment the Turks attacking Byzantium
>were
>>>>>>> breaking down the gates of that city the theologians inside where
>>>>>>> discussing
>>>>>>> with vigour the question of how many angels could dance at the one
>time
>>>>> on
>>>>>>> the point of a needle.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In a real worst case scenario we may be getting temperature rises
>of a
>>>>> few
>>>>>>> hundred degrees.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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