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["John D'hondt" <dhondt@eircom.net>]

That is one of the things that worry me Paul. There should be a measurable 
and fast rise in sea level but I have seen whole documentaries 
explaining/proving that exactly the opposite is happening. I wish I were 
certain myself but confusion rules.
john

> OK with me, I'm just judging from the amount of sea ice melting.
>
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> On 6/8/2011 at 10:14 PM John D'hondt wrote:
>
> > Just replying to the last paragraph Paul. There is a hell of a lot of
> > confusion at the moment. It is not easy to see whether sea levels rise or
> > fall when the tidal differences are huge in comparison. I have seen
> > scientific articles going in either direction and the last one from only a
> > few weeks ago measured sea levels with gps and satellites and found a
> > drop.
> > Time will tell if we are still around.
> > john
> > > to the question "why panic if we should move towards the same levels of
> > > green
> > > house gas as in the Carboniferous?"
> > >
> > > it would destroy civilization and most species adapted to modern climate
> > > including humans of course
> > >
> > > sea water is rising slowly, and if the sun was hotter some scientists
> > > somewhere would be telling us and others would be verifying it
> > >
> > > paul tradingpost@lobo.net
> > >
> > >
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> > > On 6/7/2011 at 7:42 PM John D'hondt wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > The models are based on human emissions alone, and do not include
> > > > > > heat-amplifying feedbacks from melting ice or changes in carbon 
> > > > > > sinks.
> > > > > > When those are factored in, it moves the timetable forward so that
> > > > > > "reaching four degrees by 2060 is a plausible, worst-case scenario"
> > > > with
> > > > > > the median being 2070. By 2100, 5.5 degrees is possible, he said.
> > > > > If it only includes human emissions and doesn't consider melting
> > > > > hydrates, permafrost decay, or feedbacks, then it isn't even close to
> > > > > the worst case scenario.
> > > > >
> > > > > Everyone is so afraid to speak the whole truth on this topic because
> > the
> > > > > whole truth is worse than the "alarmists".
> > > > >
> > > > > Dan C.
> > > >
> > > > I could not agree more Dan. Imo most people, even scientists, might not
> > be
> > > > able to take the whole truth. Our species is very good at extremely over
> > > > simplified dichotomies. Most are by now convinced climate change is
> > taking
> > > > place. Ice is melting everywhere. But is that our fault? Or is the sun
> > > > indeed putting out more enery?
> > > > Worst case scenario is if both are right at the same time. There were
> > > > times
> > > > on earth that CO2 levels were higher than they are now and life was
> > > > abundant. So why panic if we should move towards the same levels of 
> > > > green
> > > > house gas as in the Carboniferous?
> > > > If at the same time the sun puts out more energy we may very well all 
> > > > get
> > > > fried is why.
> > > >
> > > > So many factors are still uncertain, ice is melting and sea water levels
> > > > should be rising. Instead we seem to have had a sea level drop of 10 mm
> > in
> > > > just a few years according to some research and this scares me 
> > > > seriously.
> > > > If that research is correct then where did all that water (many, many
> > > > cubic
> > > > miles of water) go?
> > > >
> > > > It is almost a certainty that if both humans and the sun are responsible
> > > > that we may loose all water on Earth eventually. Just maybe this is what
> > > > is
> > > > happening already. And maybe this is the reason that serious people have
> > > > the
> > > > luxury to still be discussing temperature rises in single digits. Water
> > > > escaping the atmosphere would have a serious cooling effect for a while.
> > > > Nothing new here, at the very moment the Turks attacking Byzantium were
> > > > breaking down the gates of that city the theologians inside where
> > > > discussing
> > > > with vigour the question of how many angels could dance at the one time
> > on
> > > > the point of a needle.
> > > >
> > > > In a real worst case scenario we may be getting temperature rises of a
> > few
> > > > hundred degrees.
> > > >
> > > > John
> > > >
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