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  • From: paul@oneseedling.com
  • To: Healthy soil and sustainable growing <livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] Four Degrees of Devastation
  • Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 13:32:26 -0500

There can be little doubt our fragile economy is running on nothing more than
momentum. The fact that a majority of our fresh food travels 1500 miles to be
eaten says that a small glitch could bring it to a grinding halt.
We lucked out this year on our wheat crop, time will tell on the corn. Those
in Russia and China have not been so lucky. Mexico, our main source of
vegetables is experiencing the same drought as we in the southwest are. Their
aquifers are feeling the pressure.
In the San Antonio area we are but days from stage 3 water restrictions. The
housing market here, having dodged the bullet on the housing crash earlier,
is now dying.
We cannot continue printing money at the present rate without having to pay
the piper.
If anything I believe your estimates of the length of time left before total
collapse are grossly overestimated and collapse will occur within a year.
Time will tell.
In the meantime secure your own supply of water, store food, grow your own
and prepare yourself physically and mentally.
Paul the Skeptic

On Jun 6, 2011, at 10:17 PM, "Tradingpost" <tradingpost@lobo.net> wrote:

>
> This is just to explain why I feel strongly on the subject, but of course
> few people will agree with it all; few see the sheer volume of evidence
> that I follow daily and have for years. And as Dan mentions below, the
> conclusion is too disturbing for so many. After all people have more urgent
> demands on their time and attention with all that's going on.
>
> For my part I do accept the weight of the science on it, plus the
> overwhelming stats & evidence for financial decline due to economic idiocy
> and the industrial decline to follow peak energy and food production
> resources. Which I refer to as a Perfect Storm to engulf the planetary
> "civilization". My take on it is all empires fall eventually, and this time
> it's a globalized empire running on fumes. And our concerns will come down
> to the basic necessities, food, water, shelter. In particular, food,
> impacted by all of the above. It's not well understood but the immediate
> threat to dollar dominance in the oil trade is growing, and when that
> reaches a tipping point soon then everything we need to buy will cost far
> more, esp everything that depends on oil & other energy somewhere in the
> pipeline. This is due to a deal with the Saudis that made all oil trade in
> dollars (which we print a trillion at a time) and still makes our oil
> imports cost half what the rest of the world pays. $10
> gal standard in Europe. But what is price elastic in response to oil
> price? Food comes to mind.
>
>
> paul tradingpost@lobo.net
>
>
> *********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
>
> On 6/6/2011 at 5:37 PM dan conine wrote:
>
>>> The models are based on human emissions alone, and do not include
>> heat-amplifying feedbacks from melting ice or changes in carbon sinks.
>> When those are factored in, it moves the timetable forward so that
>> "reaching four degrees by 2060 is a plausible, worst-case scenario" with
>> the median being 2070. By 2100, 5.5 degrees is possible, he said.
>> If it only includes human emissions and doesn't consider melting
>> hydrates, permafrost decay, or feedbacks, then it isn't even close to
>> the worst case scenario.
>>
>> Everyone is so afraid to speak the whole truth on this topic because the
>> whole truth is worse than the "alarmists".
>>
>> Dan C.
>>
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