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  • From: "Tradingpost" <tradingpost@lobo.net>
  • To: livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] Four Degrees of Devastation
  • Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 21:53:50 -0600


But we know the difference between science and scientists, and politics
posing as science.

paul tradingpost@lobo.net

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On 6/12/2011 at 11:20 PM John D'hondt wrote:

>Paul, we are basically in complete agreement about all this. Sea water
>levels should rise with global warming. I bought my property 25 years ago
>with an eye to that effect :) (the lowest part of our land is at around
>400
>feet elevation). But ice is melting everywhere and I can't see any
>difference in sea level yet. Up to a hundred years ago "The Anker" in
>Bantry
>was around the high high water line. It is still above water today.
>
>One thing to be careful with is stating that we should not throw out
>science. I agree with that but realise full well that many scientists are
>now involved in intellectual prostitution. At least the ones that want to
>keep their jobs. I agree that industrial agriculture can not feed the
>world
>right now but ask an ag scientist and he or she will 9 times out of ten
>tell
>you this is because there is not enough gmo yet.
>john
>>
>> As a reminder the underlying issue in this is the future of agriculture
>> and coping with possible changes in whatever affects it. It's true
>there's
>> a lot we don't know. But I don't take that as a signal to throw out
>> science and deny what we do know. One thing we already know is that
>> industrial agriculture cannot feed the world right now.
>>
>> paul tradingpost@lobo.net
>>
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>>
>> On 6/11/2011 at 9:44 PM Tradingpost wrote:
>>
>>>http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/globalwarming.html#q9
>>>states:
>>> "Global mean sea level has been rising at an average rate of 1.7
>>>mm/year (plus or minus 0.5mm) over the past 100 years, which is
>>>significantly larger than the rate averaged over the last several
>thousand
>>>years."
>>>
>>>Not speculative. And I seriously doubt Al Gore is dictating policy to
>>>National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, National Climatic Data
>>>Center. Same goes for all the other links. I welcome differences of views
>>>but please research the subject and weigh the credibility of sources and
>>>who's paying them to say what. I do not support the "look out the window
>>>and see if the sea level is rising" approach to the science.
>>>
>>>And the U.S. Geological Survey at
>>>http://www.nwrc.usgs.gov/factshts/fs91_97.pdf
>>> "The rate of global sealevel rise is expected to accelerate during the
>>>next century as atmospheric temperatures continue to increase."
>>>
>>>What's important in this IMHO is to use and study and challenge the
>>>science instead of just dissing it with ideological blinders. I mean, we
>>>still see some who demand we accept the sun goes around the earth because
>>>the Bible says so.
>>>
>>>paul tradingpost@lobo.net
>>>
>>>





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