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["Lynda" <lurine AT com-pair.net>]

Here's how I see it.  We have the regulations in place and they are ignored. 
When laws are passed, there is a long lead time until they become chiseled 
in stone.  Companies have, in some cases, up to 15 years to do the work to 
meet the regulations.  They don't do the work and then when the deadline 
comes around they cry about the cost.  HELLO!  If they had done the 
updating, etc. whent he regulations came out, the cost would have been 
minimal.

Second, stop corporate welfare and tax breaks for companies who take their 
plants off shore.  You don't hold a whip over someone's head and then use it 
to feed them the carrots.  Doesn't make a whole lot of sense.  I mean, if 
your kid doesn't do his homework and cheats on a test, do you reward him by 
giving him a raise in his allowance?

Louisiana-Pacific had a pulp mill in Humboldt County.  It would have cost 
them somewhere around $250,000 to clean up the plant and go dioxin free when 
they were first sued by Surf Riders.  They futz, they stalled, they fought 
it in court and they eventually lost.  Their legal bill was somewhere in the 
neighborhood of $10 million dollars and it cost $5 million to build the 
pipeline and convert to bleach free pulp.  $250,000 vs. $15 million and then 
they cry about what it cost them.

Try tallying up the cost of building new plants and so forth and so on when 
you move your plants off-shore vs. simply updating here in the U.S.  WHEN 
the regs first came out.

Sorry, the companies are slick AND dirty and the politicians are stupid and 
corrupt!  I have no sympathy for either!  ENFORCE the laws we already have! 
AND, the same applies to immigration!  Sanctuary cities need to loose ALL 
federal funding!  They are breaking the law.

Now, just for the sake of accuracy, Gore doesn't own the company that sells 
the energy credits.  He owns stock in a company that bought stock in a 
company that does energy credits.  And I've already ranted about cutting 
80-90% of the farm subsidies because they don't go to *real* farms but only 
to corporate headquarters of agri-business.

Lynda
--"I'm fascinated by the hard line you're drawing over religion -- It gets
used too much, as an excuse, a fall guy, a weapon, a con.  A lot of people,
maybe most, don't mean it except when it suits them."  Dallas
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <DSanner106 AT aol.com>


> Good point, and this is why we do need to add to our regulations on
> emissions.
> but we need to do so in a more intelligent fashion.
> The end result of our efforts, have been to drive manufacturing out of 
> the
> United States and into third world countries that have NO such regulations
> and
> are polluting at incredible rates. Do we feel better about ourselves if 
> our
> own
> hands are not dirty but our neighbors are? Is hiring someone else to 
> commit
> a
> murder for you better than doing it yourself? We share the same air and
> water with
> the rest of the planet and need to look at the bigger picture when we
> create our
> regulations.
>
> A tiny fraction of the scamulous money we are just handing out willy 
> nilly
> would have re-tooled every auto plant in America to produce cleaner, more
> efficient
> cars. I doubt we will ever see the money Chrysler got again, and a lesser
> amount would
> have retooled everyone. At least we would have gotten something lasting 
> for
> our money.
> We cannot fool ourselves into thinking any politician has our back on this
> issue. Creation
> of taxes to address this problem will just lead to more political greed 
> and
> payoffs, but no
> actual solution to the problem. We should have put our money into fixing
> the problem
> rather than relying entirely on the factory owners to absorb the costs. We
> have lost millions
> of jobs and have not helped the environment one iota.
>
> The top politician, put up as an expert on this topic is Al Gore. Obama 
> has
> stated that he
> is his go to guy on these issues. Gore himself still flies around in the
> least efficient private jet
> in the skies, (you would think after he got the bad press he would have
> sold it) bought one
> clean car but has never been seen in anything other than SUV's. He accepts
> tobacco
> subsidies intended for poor farmers, to not grow tobacco on his family 
> land
> (As if he would take
> up farming tobacco if the money were cut off) and on that same land
> operates a mining
> operation with heavy pollution. He just built a massive indoor pool that
> draws more energy than
> 12 houses just to heat it. He says all this is OK though because he buys
> "carbon credits" from
> a company he owns part of. He shifts money from his left pocket to his
> right pocket in other words.
> So he can live as wastefully as anyone we know, but preach to us
> about how we live. He wants new taxes on us as a punishment for our
> wasteful lives, that will
> hurt the poor far more than the wealthy. He left office worth less than a
> half million dollars and
> is worth over 200 million today, just a few years later. Where did the
> sudden massive wealth come
> from? Not his book, and certainly not his documentary he was supposed to
> donate any proceeds from,
> so where did he get it? Certainly not from corporations he is promoting 
> the
> agenda of, right? This
> is where our trust is placed? This guy will instruct the President? We are
> in trouble.