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I was just helping my daughter with a report on this very subject, The 
conversion in the seventies was nationwide, from my personal  experience
I have never worked for an employer that was not 100 percent flourescent 
in my 30 years of working in multiple states. Never realized it until I  
read
this. I take this successful conversion as a very positive sign that we  can
do the same in other areas as well. California has made strides, and is  now
15 percent hydro of the total state use, but petroleum based sources still 
make up the lions share. Considering California is number 2 on the  energy
consumption list, 15 percent is actually a huge amount. Washington is 87  
percent 
and in the lead, but most areas of the country will never be able to touch  
these
numbers for lack of powerful rivers etc. Solar, if it ever comes down in  
price
is the logical source of choice. I had read a couple years ago that the  
Japanese
had developed a paint that acted as a solar panel, and you could paint your 
house with it and generate energy all day long. Hopefully that will pan out 
 and
eliminate much of the need for panels. 
 
Drew
 
 
 
In a message dated 11/29/2009 3:42:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
lurine AT com-pair.net writes:

You see,  this is the problem I have with lots of things.  Assumptions.   
You
see lights and unnecessary consumption and I know, for starters,  that
California replaced, about 30 years ago, ALL of their street lights  with
energy efficient lights.  Don't know about other states, but I do  know 
about
California.  I do know that starting in the 70s and pushed  during the 
Wilson
created energy crisis, businesses replaced lights with  all fluorscent AND
removed 1 to 2 long tubes per multi-tube fixtures and  shut off every other
light fixture.

For some reason, unlike  absolutely every single other thing on the planet,
solar panels have not  come down in cost.  That isn't logical, so something
is driving the  high cost of solar.  Coal industry?  I don't know but
something  is definately fishy with solar!

BTW, Texas is the ultimate consumer of  electrical energy.  AND, most of 
CA's 
electricity is hydro which is a  zero carbon impact.

Lynda
--"I'm fascinated by the hard line you're  drawing over religion -- It gets
used too much, as an excuse, a fall guy, a  weapon, a con.  A lot of people,
maybe most, don't mean it except when  it suits them."  Dallas
----- Original Message ----- 
From:  "Leslie" <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>


As for all those cities  mentioned, yes, I do know you can see them all from
far away. Not only the  big ones, but the tiny ones too! I personally think
all the energy usage  needs to be curtailed back significantly at all 
levels.
If government is so  concerned about global warming, why not start with
forcing the government  turning of all those street lights, turn off lights
in empty rooms, reduce  vehicle energy consumption, etc.? Not to mention 
that
just doing that alone  would reduce a portion of our tax burdon. Government
isn't leading the way  by turning off the street lights, etc. WHY NOT? Late
last night, I was  coming back from the mountains just north and east of El
Paso, TX (where we  are expecting 6" of snow today, btw) - and every
government facility I  drove past was light up like a Christmas tree. The
amount light coming from  these facilities was actually quite annoying. And 
I
can't help but notice  on most street corners
multiple cameras taking pictures of people,  consuming and wasting energy on
every corner,,,, or drive along the I-10  and I-25 and other roads, you'll
come across bright lights blinding drivers  at night so the government can
snap more pictures, wasting more energy, not  to mention the super computers
wasting energy to do the facial recognition  thing. This is an insane waste!

FYI, I don't live in AZ. Where I live,  I can and do live without AC or heat
year-round as the average temps range  from 30-92, with a signifant part of
the year between 40-70. I actually  don't even turn lights on inside or out,
except briefly (as in seconds at a  time) when absolutely necessary. I use 
on
average 78 KWhours a MONTH, and  between 21-28 gallons of LP per YEAR, and
I'm in the process of switching  my KW over to 100% solar. And I'll be able
to reduce the LP consumption  even further with a solar oven. And I don't
burn wood - there aren't  exactly trees to cut down around here, and I don't
have a need for it  anyway. Outside of my personal consumption is the well
for water which is  on a separate line, is also being switched to solar.
Total current energy  consumption is not currently known and is being
monitored with a wattmeter.  Normally I drive less than 3000 miles per year
(for more than 20 years that  has been my average) and half
of that is on a 100mpg scooter now. I've made  the effort, for reasons
outside of alleged man-made global warming. I don't  like pollution. I
believe energy sources are finite, not unlimited (except  the sun), and need
to be conserved for the future. All the legislation and  taxation in the
world isn't going to do any good to conserve natural  resources (including
quality of air, etc) unless each person makes an  effort.

I've had to make a lot of trips the past month, and the one  thing that is
clear at night time is there are no visible signs of effort  being made by
the general population or the government to reduce energy  consumption.
Although I do see a smattering of small solar panels here and  there.

Is the lack of personal effort due to massive individual  carelessness? I
don't know.

Is it due to masses of individuals in  general don't buy into the man made
global warming idea? I don't  know.

Is it that masses of individuals buy into man made global warming  but 
figure
that someone else should have to turn off their lights, but not  themselves?
I don't know.

Will taxing individuals in the developed  nations and sending that money to
other countries going to get individuals  to turn off lights? I don't know.

What's the government's  excuse?

I do know that the initial conversion to solar seems cost  prohibitive. Part
of that misconception is a lack of willingness to do  personal behavior
modification.

What I do know and see with my own  eyes in state after state masses of
individuals and governments are not  taking any action what-so-ever to
significantly reduce energy consumption.  A scattered few here and there 
yes,
but the masses, no. Wasteful energy  consumption is as visible to the naked
eye as is your local climate, as is  the snow falling in the mountains today
just north of the US-Mexican  border, as is all the snow on the ground (some
on mountain tops, other  parts in the cooler sides of valleys) from Denver
south to the ski slopes  of Sante Fe and Taos. The streets are clogged with
traffic, and the lights  are shining brightly.

Did I mention InternationalEnergy-Gate? I can't  remember. The 2 IEA 
insiders
who turned whistle-blowers on the reports that  the IEA has purposely
inflated the numbers on how much oil reserves  actually remain? More
lies.....why am I not  surprised?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/nov/09/peak-oil-international-ene
rgy-agency
"If  the real [oil reserve] figures were to come out there would be  panic
........"

I am curious to see what comes out of these two  latest scandals.... the IEA
lying to the world about how much oil reserves  actually remain, and the
global warming scientist who's own emails admit  that they have conspired to
say that global warming is man-made and  supressed any other evidence to  
the
contrary.









________________________________
From:  Lynda <lurine AT com-pair.net>
Ah, as to seeing LA, you do know that you  can see Phoenix and Yuma from
Mexico and Baja at night and if you are  traveling back from CA you can
definately see Phoenix from a LONG way off!  Plus, once you get there it is
lit up like  Vegas!



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