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["Lynda" <lurine AT com-pair.net>]

Illegals are an issue because in some states they are causing hospitals to
go bankrupt.  Clinics are now going under because of the use and abuse by
illegals.  To make speeches for months counting illegals as part of the
number of uninsured is quite irritating to those of us who work with folks
who near medical care, who are here legally, and can't get it.

I guess politicians have forgotten their grandparents and others who said
"clean up your own backyard before you worry about your neighbors."

We currently have laws.  We don't need to do much in the way of changing
them.  We simply need to inforce them.

I'm sorry there are poor Salvadorans but if they can manage to put together
$5,000, then they are a lot richer than a whole bunch of folks here
*legally* in the U.S.

Those coming to CA don't "grub for dirty work."  They make lots more than
$7/hr.  Their fake IDs get them construction and landscaping jobs that
begin, at minimum, $10 and go upwards to $30 plus an hour.

Yes, there are bad seeds and the governments of Mexico, etc. are helping
those "bad seeds."  In the county I live in, it won't be long before we have
the wild west again.  The local are now arming themselves and the shooting
will start shortly!

In the county I moved from, where my family has lived for thousands of
years, the illegal AND legal immigrants have grown crime to astronimical
proportions.  Chineses poppy growers having gun fights over their opium
poppies.  East Indians and their criminal worker program.  Mexicans and
their drugs.  Well, and two sets of "imports" from GA and FL (looking to
recruit for gangs), have accounted for 250% rise in the murder rate.

Americans, in general, have no idea of the poverty in THIS country!  People
in this country cannot imagine living with the prospects that most living on
reservations in this country have.

We have an immigration policy that worked quite well for years.  People got
sponsors and had to have a job waiting.  It is NOT realistic to think we can
cure the worlds problems.  The U.S. has reached a saturation point and it is
time to rethink the whole speech on the statue of liberty.

Again, we need to clean up our own backyard before we worry about someone
else's!

No, Rob, it is the fault of the way we have allowed the general morality in
this country to deteriorate if someone steals your car.  Until a mere 20
years ago, in the county I moved from you could do that.  Then L.A. and
Marin County decided to "cure" their homeless problem by giving folks a
one-way bus ticket on Greyhound and a map to the local welfare office.

It is time for tough love all around.  And that certainly isn't whining.
That's the "mommy" voice!

Lynda, who use to live in Mexico.  Unnamed village southeast of Ensenada, to 
be exact.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we
are
to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and
servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."  Theordore
Roosevelt, 1918.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Walton" <waltonrp AT gmail.com>


> It's strange to me that we make illegal immigrants an issue in the health
> reform debate. It seems more logical to have an immigration debate to
> discuss illegals.
> My thought is that if someone is here illegally, the United States is at
> least partially to blame for that. Morally, assuring that sick people have
> access to basic care or at least trying to provide that is a good goal. If
> there are illegals here, I'd treat them as any other human being and treat
> them.
>
> If there is a problem that we can not afford to or do not want to provide
> for illegals like we do any other human, we should take measures to stop
> or
> reduce illegal aliens. That would mean immigration reform.
>
> As some of you know, I have land in El Salvador and spend some time there
> homesteading that land.
>
> There is no real way for a poor Salvadoran to apply to come here legally.
> Anyone that gets a visa is a person of means in El Salvador.
>
> When there are extra jobs in the US (now is not one of those times), a
> person in El Salvador that wants to come here, pays a Coyote around
> $10,000.
> You pay half up front and the other half when they get you here. If you
> don't pay the last half, the coyote kills your family.
>
> Once you get here, you grub for dirty work, accept less pay and usually
> pay
> taxes (working under a fake social security number). You don't live a
> great
> life, you live a cheaply as you can and send money home. You usually have
> to
> pay back $10, 000 you borrowed from family. $10,000 is a lot more money in
> El Salvador (remember these are really poor people). You are working at $7
> or less an hour and paying that $10,000 takes a long time.
>
> If you are lucky, you get the $10, 00 payed back and you are able to send
> money home to help improve life for your family. They depend on you, and
> you
> don't want to let them down. You work as many hours/jobs as you can. If
> you
> are young, you try to do the things that young people do (date, marry,
> have
> kids, raise kids).
>
> Now, there are bad seed illegals that commit crimes, don't send money
> home,
> don't pay back the family for the coyote fee, commit crimes once they get
> here, are lazy, etc. All groups have good and bad in them.
>
> Americans in general have no idea of the poverty in most of the country's
> from where most illegals come from. Most Americans feel like a dishwasher
> is
> a basic right. People here can not imagine living with the prospects for
> life that most people in El Salvador, Guatemala or Mexico have.
>
> Yes. Immigrating to the US illegally is a crime. It is wrong. It is
> breaking
> the law. Using a fake social, fake drivers license are all crimes.
>
> Sometimes people make a decision to break a law in order to better their
> life and that of their children.
>
> We need to stop the whining about illegal immigrants and put in place an
> immigration policy that allows those that we want here (in the numbers we
> want) to immigrate illegally. We need to secure our borders.
>
> If we can't do those things, then it is as much our fault that people come
> here illegally as it is theirs. It's like if I park my car and leave the
> windows down and the keys in it. It's partly my fault if it gets stolen.
>
> Rob - Va
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