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believe me, I agree with you on that, I just don't like blindly  believing
statistics, and She (the French Doctor) had an opposing point of view on  
the subject.
At the moment, our officials want money for health care, so we are
at the bottom of the list. If they get funded, give it 3 years and they  
will
come out with new stats that show we have jumped to the top of the  list.
They will take credit for the jump and the real change will be in the  way
the statistics were compiled. I lived in Michigan, near the border,  
doctor's
offices and clinics stayed open saturdays almost entirely for the  canadian
clients who would come across on the weekend for care. My fathers  company,
Dow Chemical, allowed employees of proprietary suppliers to join their  
health
plan and a huge number of these Canadians would pay for that on top  of
their Canadian coverage. 
 
_http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/561737_ 
(http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/561737) 
 
This medscape article shows the european breast cancer survival rate at  
79.1 percent
as opposed to 90.1 percent in the US and prostate rates of 77.5 versus 99.3 
 Europe
vs. US. These are pretty significant differences in results. 
 
My main point, though, is that we can't place all our faith in a bunch of  
statistics we
really know very little about the compilation of. Just as I was suspect of  
some the last
administration waived around to justify actions, I am suspect of those that 
 are being 
used to push us into socialized medical care. They are going to do what  
they want
to anyway, I just would rather go in with my blinders removed.
 
Drew
 
 
 
In a message dated 7/26/2009 2:46:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
lurine AT com-pair.net writes:

I gotta  tell ya, Drew.  Most doctors don't know from up when it comes to 
how  
fiscally or statistically a hospital operates.  Most doctors hire  people 
to 
do all their recordkeeping beause they are clueless.

AND,  what they don't seem to have taken into consideration is that 
*American*  doctors carp continually about the government being in their  
business!  So, me think perhaps it is case of "the grass is greener"  even 
when what is on the other side of the fence is actually brown.   See it all 
the time with cattle, sheep, goats AND humans.

Plus, as  regards the stats.  A death is a death and how it is recorded at 
a  
hospital has little or nothing to do with where France places in the  
stats. 
France is burying folks in a pit somewhere and not recording deaths  in 
total.  How hospitals use the deaths in their own stats is, of  course, a 
whole other story and clearly shows that those two are not  different that 
the vast majority I worked with and clueless when it comes  to how things 
paperwise work.

Lynda
"Facts do not cease to exist  because they are ignored."  Aldous Huxley

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>I  asked that very question. They pointed out though that unlike their
>  american counterparts, they don't have to carry personal insurance with 
a  
> 6
> figure pricetag and another policy for their practice. She  indicated that
> their level of comfort is essentially the same as their  american 
> counterparts
> once you take that into account. They  have two houses, a huge flat in the
> city,  fancy cars, kids in  pricey education institutions, all the 
> trappings one
>  would  expect here. Yes, they might do somewhat better here  financially,
> but it is the  government control of the system they  really don't like. 
> Again,
> they point to  the fact that  thousands of deaths every year are not
> factored in the  statistics  anywhere. hospitals keep the records of 
death 
> but  do
> not count patients that  arrive in a severe trauma state. They  also do 
not
> perform autopsies anywhere  near as often as we do  here as the healthcare
> system sees this as a waste of  money, so  the cause of death may be 
cancer 
> or
> cardiac issues but listed  as  natural causes.
>
> Drew
>
>
> In a  message dated 7/24/2009 1:29:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>  lurine AT com-pair.net writes:
>
> Ah gee,  here we go agreeing  again. <g> The stats prove the point of your
> last  paragraph.  Doctors in France make 2x what most people  make.   In 
the
> U.S., doctors make 5 to 10x as much.  And some  make,  net, millions.  It
> doesn't happen in countries with  national  healthcare.  THAT is what the
> doctor is  jealous  of!
>
> Lynda
> "Facts do not cease to exist  because they are  ignored."  Aldous Huxley
>
> -----  Original Message ----- 
> From:   <Clansgian AT wmconnect.com>
>>
>>snip<
>
>>  I think  your French family's jealousy might well be explained by the  
>> fact
>>  there's a doctor in the family.  In  other countries being a physician
>> means
>> you are well  paid in a respected profession, but it is  not a ticket to
>  the
>> wealth you can turn it into in our   system.
>>
>>
>>  James
>>
>>
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