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[Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>]

Well, what those people did is move their business & investment ops to Dubai 
- tax free, and they had changed their mind I think last spring +/-, thinking 
that Dubai would be the financial center of the world, whereas before that 
they were just going to move the CA office to the UK office, instead CA went 
to Dubai and not sure if they are going to close the UK office.  Last I heard 
their Asia office was still open, but a lot has happened.  I rarely hear from 
him anymore, opposite time zones.  I do know they were also worried about 
anotheh war in the mid-east and last year they were adamant about being out 
the US no later than summer of this year.
 
I did consider leaving and spent quite a bit of time researching.  I'm fairly 
bi-lingual so a move south of the border language wise wouldn't be a problem. 
I did start to think that this isn't a US-centric problem but a global 
problem, so axed the plans.  My plans changed to seek a more remote area in 
the US, far enough away from the city where I could grow food.  Can't say the 
desert was my destination, but that's where I currently am.  I have been 
stunned by the things they grow here.  
 
It's a lot cooler here than in your area (Phoenix?)  I only used my A/C 10 
days over the summer (when it got over 100), and used a portable swamp cooler 
for about 10 days.  I've been heating up to 41-45, and just put a sweatshirt 
on.  I'm doing this on purpose to make sure that survival is possible without 
heat or very little heat.  My fuel consumption is low - from March 08 - Dec 
any day now, I've only used one tall RV sized bottle of LP for my 
cooking/heating needs.  Same with my electric, very low use.  There are solar 
powered fridge/freezers available, pricey, but not a bad idea.  Solar water 
heat is no problem here... LOL, until the winter.    
 
I can't say that 10 years ago I was consciously at the homesteader level, but 
I was already moving down that path to a certain degree.  At first I thought 
that I would just move to a very rural area in FL, but the more I looked, I 
changed my mind - not to mention I never want to go thru a hurricane again.  
I'm not sure exactly how long ago I started consciously thinking more about 
it.  Due to circumstances that for a while were out of my control, I was not 
able to make the move until this past year.
 
At lot of things I've done the past few years fall into the what can I do 
without category (although I wasn't much of a shopper to begin with)  and 
what do I need to help me become more self-sufficient.  I found out there are 
packing houses in the area that sell off these big varmint proof plastic 
bins, which might come in very handy for storing dried beans, etc.

I'm going to do the best I can.... I'm expecting that I will be eating a lot 
of very strange meals... LOL, unless my thumbs turn green fast.
 
Hey, did you read the blip on Argentina basically seizing pension plans a few 
weeks back (equivalent of IRA, 401(k), etc).... I had read years ago that 
governments would resort to that citing "in the national interest" type stuff.
 
I even talked to a few other people I know from all over the country to see 
if they were interested in moving to an area together and working together.  
No takers, yet....so it is going to be tough alone.    Some people I talk to 
don't even consider that there could be food shortages, etc. just over the 
horizon.  
 
Well except for one, who will only show up after it becomes a reality... 
Reminds of that children's story,,,, who will help me plant the wheat, not 
i.... who will help me water the wheat? not it.... etc until it turned into 
who will help me eat the bread, i will.... LOL
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


--- On Mon, 12/8/08, bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com> wrote:

From: bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Go ld -- feel free to ignore
To: cayadopi AT yahoo.com, homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 10:01 PM

--- On Mon, 12/8/08, Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com> wrote:


 > Monied citizens have already been leaving, for the past year or so, have
been getting their $ out of the country. One big money manager for an 
extremely
wealthy European, who had been in US for years, moved operation to Dubai last
summer.  They were going to go to UK and changed
> mid-stream.


Events are occuring and changing so quickly , it is like a whipsaw to plan.  I
have an acquaintance who months ago was talking of relocating to Spain for
several years.  Events in Europe changed his mind, but the subsequent fall in
the Euro , again, changed his plans to a definite move to Europe.  He just
returned from a visit; I'm going to see him maybe this weekend.  I have no
intentions of leaving this country.  I already wanted to homestead in an
isolated rural area of the U.S., before this calamity.  But, I am curious to 
the
different ways that people intend to ride out these
events..............................................................

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> > But, do you really think we, as a country, a society, are going back to
> agragrian susteanance living?
>

Back??

Heavens no.  We are going forward.  We will not go "back" to a previous way
of life.  Understand that I am not an 18th century homesteader, I am a 21st
centruy homesteader.  I am not a ghost from the past, rather I am a 
foreshadowing
of the future.

There is no going back.

Then, there in the "back" there were far fewer people, we had the potential
of clean water, abundant oil, most of our topsoil intact, and a strudy and
vigorous population.  We have none of those things now.

The same as we cannot go "back", we also can't stay where we are either.  It
is fading away visibly beneath our feet even as we correspond.  Now... each of
us has his hand on the tiller and determines the cut of the sails.  We are
ALL going to some place different than we are right now.  The only thing to
choose is what that place will be for us specifically.

What the masses face is institutional housing, institutional food, an urban
shadow existence of what we have now but with very, very diminished resources.
People will die of longing and despair because they can't adjust.  Many
others will adjust and make the most of what existence they find in the near 
future.

The large institutions from the mega banks, to the auto makers, to the giant
store chains, and ... the important one ... the mega agribusiness farms are
all doomed.  The opportunities in their wake are legion.  But those who thrive
will be the industrious ones.

For the masses little will change in the fabric of their lives except they
will not have their opiates.  From my perspective they will go from a grim
existence they were not aware of to a grim existence they are aware of.  
Sucks to
be them.

In all of this, the rural agrarian life is a pretty attactive one.  It was
before this great change, it will be during this change, and it will be so
afterwards as well.   The rest??  Ya pays ya money (gold only, please) and ya 
takes
ya chances.

James