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[bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>]

I was just speaking from my own experience to the point I thought Marie was 
making.  Tobacco has not been health friendly for me or anyone I personally 
know.  I don't drink (I'm not Baptist, but take a lot of meds); but I don't 
know any of my social drinking friends that would say that alcohol was one of 
their great pleasures in life.  And, I have several friends, my age and 
younger, who have been under dirt for years, because of alcohol.  Food is 
harder, just because , as Bill said, the d*mn experts keep changing their 
mind about what is not healthy to eat.  But, moderation in everything is 
probably a good healthy choice, as you wrote.

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--- On Fri, 11/28/08, VAN DELL JORDAN <vdjor AT yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: VAN DELL JORDAN <vdjor AT yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Living the good life on 5000 a year
> To: bobford79 AT yahoo.com
> Date: Friday, November 28, 2008, 9:05 AM
> --- On Fri, 11/28/08, bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> 
> 
> > I understand your point, bill.  But, I've never
> seen
> > tobacco make anyone healthy or happy.  I've never
> seen
> > alcohol make anyone truly healthy or happy.  The
> 'eating
> > right' part 'is' harder........bobford
> > 
> 
> I think the key is not doing things to extreme I was
> brought up by Baptists who practiced what they preach so
> smoking and drinking were not done at all.   Since then
> I've come to the conclusion that limited us of those was
> not a disaster but that extreme use of either, and almost
> anything else including food is. 
> alcohol does not make anyone healthy or happy but a drink
> can be enjoyable and a glass of wine can contribute to
> health. 
> Smoking is a different issue as very few people do that in
> moderation.  My experience is different. I smoke a pipe,
> only when I'm in the mood to, and never when it will
> bother others.  I wouldn't say it makes me happy except
> that anything we do that we enjoy contributes to happiness. 
> I am a little less sure more concerned about health issues
> though the only data I have ever been able to find about
> pipe smoking is from the original surgeon generals report
> which does not build a strong case against pipe smoking.
> I think the same principle applies to almost everything. 
> Research is done, a negative effect is found,  people
> overreact and say "never eat that", instead of
> just saying don't eat too much of this.
> Van Dell