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[EarthNSky <erthnsky AT bellsouth.net>]

Please find and re-post the post where I said that black people are stupid.
I am trying very hard to overlook the names and slurs you are throwing
in my direction.  I have been trying to be accommodating to you, to calm
you down, but you continue to attack me.  I honestly don't understand
why.  If we are miscommunicating as you suggested earlier, there is no
need for name calling.

paxamicus AT earthlink.net wrote:
 And how does this, ANY of this,
> pertain to you saying "poor black people" are too stupid to know 
> better about Obama?
>
> I never worked the backside, but there are tests in place to catch 
> that stuff. I let the powers that be handle it.
>
> Individual PEOPLE might not get it, but I promise you, there are many
>  many educated people of any variety of colours who do. Except maybe
>  all those stupid red necked Georgians?   (Do you SEE now how
> offensive that it?)

> On Nov 7, 2008, at 7:49 PM, EarthNSky wrote:
>
> > Moon, You said you had worked side by side with "unpapered
> > Mexicans", which to me sounds degrading, like they are dogs or
> > something.  Are you sure they were all Mexicans?  No Guatamalans or
> > Salvadorans?  Let me ask you this.. Say you are in a big barn full
> > of race horses and you are working with 'immigrants' who speak
> > Spanish(how's that for unlabeling due to race?) Suppose you hear a
> > group of those immigrants talking about a horse who appears to be
> > doped.  When you go to tell the barn owner what you have heard,
> > what do you say? A. I heard the Hispanics talking of doping
> > allegations? B. I heard the immigrants who speak Spanish talking of
> > doping allegations. C.  I heard people talking about doping
> > allegations D.  I heard that there are doping allegations. E. I
> > heard the aliens talking about doping allegations. F. I heard
> > unpapered Mexicans talking about doping allegations. G. I heard the
> > illegal immigrants talking about doping allegations. H. None of the
> > above.
> >
> > Now, if you choose C or D, the next question the owner asks you is
> >  going to be 'what people?'.  If you choose G, that is threatening
> > to the owner.  If you choose E, the owner will call 911 for you. A
> > seems most logical to me, but that would be labeling and 
> > grouping-which you don't like, so perhaps you would say B.?  B just
> >  seems awkward to me.
> >
> > I am writing this to you in two parts because I wrote the above as
> > a draft this morning.  This evening, I see that we are having a 
> > conversation concerning Spanish profanities.<G> Moon, if you are
> > working side by side with someone, how can you claim to know them
> > if you do not speak their language?  I can vacation in China, ride
> > the bus with a bunch of Chinese folks, but if I don't understand 
> > them, I am not getting, what was your term, a 'broader experience'?
> >  I know you are ticked at James and probably me right now, but he
> > does have a point that just traveling around isn't enough to
> > understand and have a grasp of a cultural situation.  You have to
> > live in it, talk to it, work with it, and become part of it in
> > whatever way you are allowed to.  When you said you had a better
> > grasp on these types of things because you have lived in various
> > places, that is what was interpreted as being arrogant, because in
> > effect, you are saying that our experiences don't count.  Yet, we
> > are the ones who interact and live with these peoples(Hispanic,
> > African American(is that better for you?) etc. etc. Well, I'm
> > probably not helping, so I'll shut up. Oh, and I don't hold
> > anything against you-just figure you are under a lot of stress or
> > something.
> >
> > Bev
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > paxamicus AT earthlink.net wrote:
> > > I did not mean to twist your words, and if I did, I misunderstood
> > >  you. Please feel free to correct.
> > >
> > > All "black people" are not the same. Period, full stop. We are
> > > all individuals. Shall I call all poor white southerners
> > > "crackers"?  I think not.
> > >
> > > The governor of Alaska IS a liar.
> > >
> > > I have lived abroad. I have worked side by side with illegal 
> > > immigrants, and celebrities. I have lived in the north and the
> > > south. Yes, my cultural experience is slightly more broad than
> > > someone who has spent their whole lives in one place.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Nov 6, 2008, at 12:57 PM, EarthNSky wrote:
> > >
> > > > This is not the Moon I knew.  The posts I have seen from you in
> > > > the last day or so have shocked me.  You have twisted my words
> > > > and implied things that I have not even thought of, called me a
> > > > bigot, called the Governor of Alaska a liar, and now this. I
> > > > don't know how, nor do I have to time, to answer this post,
> > > > only to say that I am not substituting the phrase 'black
> > > > people' for the n- word. In addition, you claim to have a
> > > > broader cultural experience?  Please.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Bev
> > > >
> > > > paxamicus AT earthlink.net wrote:
> > > > > Maybe they haven't down there because people still insist on 
> > > > > identifying people by colour. Substitute "nigger" for "black 
> > > > > people" and you will see how offensive it is. I am willing to
> > > > > bet that I, little oil-sucker-downer-finger-on-the-bomb that
> > > > > I am have had slightly broader experience than you in this
> > > > > matter.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Nov 6, 2008, at 12:15 PM, Clansgian AT wmconnect.com wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > How many PEOPLE? PEOPLE! NOT BLACKS! They, like you,
> > > > > > > > are INDIVIDUAL
> > > > > > > PEOPLE.
> > > > > > How utterly naive.  If we all just hold hands and sing a
> > > > > > chorus of "I'd like to buy the world a Coke" then all the
> > > > > > racial realities of our country will just disappear. 
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