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[bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>]

Bev; I'll say out loud that I thought most did defend your point of view 
yesterday.  I am not as confontational as some, and really thought the 
argument became more between James and Moon.  They are both assertive and 
stong-willed enough to present their own points.  

I will say this: I've been on this list for over a decade and don't 'ever' 
remember you saying anything that indicated bigotry based on any of the 
normal characteristics like race/religion/sexual preference, etc.  And, I 
can't and don't  believe that someone as smart as Moon really believes that 
of you.

Sometimes people get too personal with political opinions, I think.  I would 
like to be able to continue to participate (including arguing my beliefs, as 
I see them) in homesteading, political, social, ecological, and any other 
interesting discussion.

  And, I would like for You, and Moon, and everyone with whom I agreee 'and' 
disagree to join so that I am not just talking to people with whom I agree.  
Otherwise it will just be me and Lynn and Ray supporting full gay rights, 
legalized drugs,  and open marriage ....bobford



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--- On Sat, 11/8/08, EarthNSky <erthnsky AT bellsouth.net> wrote:

> From: EarthNSky <erthnsky AT bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Lunacy
> To: "Homestead List" <homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> Date: Saturday, November 8, 2008, 10:28 AM
> It's been over 12 hours and I'm still waiting Moon. 
> You have said some
> nasty things to me and about me.  I want to know what
> 'suck ass phrase'
> I used to warrant your wrath.
> I apologize or correct myself when I am wrong or misstate
> something.  I
> think I am the only one on this list who ever does.  But I
> know that I
> never said 'poor black people are too stupid to know
> better' or 'poor
> black people' or because I don't even think that
> way. If you can find me
> ever saying that, I will unsub immediately and you
> won't have to deal
> with this 'bigoted, stupid, Georgia redneck'  I
> won't hold my breath for
> an apology, but I think you owe me one.
> You are surprised that no one is condemning me.
> I am surprised that so few are defending my innocence, nor
> condemning
> you for not backing up your attacks with quotes to prove
> your point.
> 
> Bev
> 
> 
> EarthNSky wrote:
> > Please find and re-post the post where I said that
> black people are 
> > stupid. I am trying very hard to overlook the names
> and slurs you are
> >  throwing in my direction.  I have been trying to be
> accommodating to
> >  you, to calm you down, but you continue to attack me.
>  I honestly 
> > don't understand why.  If we are miscommunicating
> as you suggested 
> > earlier, there is no need for name calling.
> > 
> 
> 
> > paxamicus AT earthlink.net wrote: And how does this, ANY
> of this,
> >> pertain to you saying "poor black
> people" are too stupid to know 
> >> better about Obama?
> <snip>
> >> Individual PEOPLE might not get it, but I promise
> you, there are 
> >> many many educated people of any variety of
> colours who do. Except
> >>  maybe all those stupid red necked Georgians?  
> (Do you SEE now how
> >>  offensive that it?)
> <snip> from another post:
> > It's not about me. It's about Bev using a
> really suck ass phrase. You
> >  want to applaud her bigotry, have at it, but quit
> tearing me down to
> >  make it seem ok.
> > 
> 
> 
> -- 
> “Fear is the path to the Dark Side. Fear leads to anger.
> Anger leads to
> hate. Hate leads to suffering.”        Yoda
> 
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