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  • From: sindi keesan <keesan AT sdf.lonestar.org>
  • To: baslinux AT lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: [BL] BL 3.40 and qemu summary
  • Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 02:55:07 +0000 (UTC)

On Sat, 13 May 2006, Alejandro Lieber wrote:

Sindi:

Sorry the time it took me to respond.

Why I use a 386 ? ........

Why people use sails instead of motor boats?
Quieter and cleaner.


Why people still like steam engines ?
I don't know any who have these.


Why some like to have a Ford T ?
Or these.

I think, it is to prove that still you can do a lot with old things.
My partner is putting together a small 486 to leave running all the time because it uses less power. I thought maybe you wanted to use less power.


In Argentina, Pentiums are not free, even 486's are sold.
I wish we could send you all our pentiums that nobody wants. We have a 700MHz one from a dumpster that had a bad video card and power supply.
The Russians write efficient software for DOS and linux to use on old computers too.

I got linux running in 3MB on a 386 but it was slow and we have all the pentium we could possibly use now, even two laptops that only needed the hard drive replaced.

We could also collect hundreds of free bicycles that nobody wants here.

sindi keesan wrote:
On Thu, 4 May 2006, Alejandro Lieber wrote:

Sindi:

Basic Linux without X runs nearly intantly in a 40Mhz 386DX.


I have used it on a 386 laptop with 3MB RAM, but it is not as fast as on
a 486 or pentium, partly because of the slow LCD screen. I forget
whether the FPU made a difference. 386 cpus run cooler and slower, so
we have kept a board for use with data acquisition hardware to be left
on all the time.

7>>
I also run several DOS internet programs in a 20Mhz 80286 with 1Mby !!!!


I have DOS lynx (with lxpic for viewer) and arachne and kermit on a
computer with 3MB. Kermit is happy with 1MB, as is netmail (mail
program) and agent (ftp program) and wget. Lynx really needs the 3MB.
Netmail needs either a modem faster than 2400 bps or a hard drive on an
XT, otherwise something times out.

I started with an 8MHz computer with 512K RAM and no slots. Kept it
going for about 12 years.

Both much faster than this Celeron 800 running Red Hat 9, Ubuntu or
Windows 98
(all in the sameHD).


Redhat 6 took 5 minutes to boot on a 486 with 12MB RAM and another 5 min
to load X with a small window manager. On our fastest computer at the
time, a newer Redhat took 10 minutes to load a wordprocessor, with 128MB
RAM.

I was asking why you are using a 386 when pentiums are being thrown out.
Is it because they use less electricity?

I like my Hercules video, it shows both underline and bold (in DOS, not
in linux properly) and is small and easy to read. But unfortunately
many websites need more than 80 columns to see without scrolling. So I
have two monitors plugged into linux and use both - the 17" VGA only
when I need video, or more columns. I am in DOS right now with TTL.

Alejandro Lieber.

sindi keesan wrote:

On Wed, 3 May 2006, Alejandro Lieber wrote:

I still use BL3 in a 386DX with 8Mby and hercules monitor
No X.



Why do you prefer a 386 to something faster?
I also use Hercules monitor, it is easier to read, smaller, and cooler.


Alejandro

sindi keesan wrote:

I thought we had all our hardware under control yesterday but now
we have
a 700MHz dumpster find that only needs a quieter power supply fan
and a
non-stripy video card. (They kept RAM and hd but left 2x cd burner
and
cpu and Live! card). Our new cutoff may be 400MHz with 128MB RAM for
desktops, which is suitable for kernel 2.4.31 and a larger glibc, and
100MHz pentium for laptops (16MB). Is anyone still using a 486
with BL?
Perhaps BL should split into a desktop branch suitable for 200MHz
cpu and
64MB RAM, and a laptop/floppy disk branch, with different kernels and
libraries. BL4 for desktops with qemu package, etc?





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