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[Robert Waldrop <bwaldrop1952@att.net>]

I am not clicking on a link to read more anti-Catholic propaganda.  I thought 
this was a Permaculture listserv, not a place for rants from the professional 
anti-Catholic crowd.  if I were elected pope, ludicrous as that possibility 
is, 
the professional anti-Catholics would find plenty in my personal history to 
make 
noise with, egged on behind the scenes by all who would see my election as 
dangerous to the status quo. The subliminal narrative of these anti-Francis 
rants is exactly as I have fired back at you -- we must marginalize this pope 
because he is dangerous to the world system of bombing, looting, and 
destruction.  And the forces behind it are not those of beauty, wisdom, and 
truth, but instead they are the demons which prowl about the world seeking 
the 
ruin and death of all that is good, true, and wise. 

I think the permaculture movement should not carry water for the 
billionaires, 
but instead welcome Francis as an ally. 

People complain about JP II, maybe that's because he was one of the few world 
leaders to unequivocably condemn the US aggression against the peoples of 
Afghanistan and Iraq.  And we can't have anyone challenging the right of the 
United States government to kill anyone it wants, anywhere it wants, for any 
reason it wants, right?  Therefore, the Pope in Rome must continually be 
marginalized as irrelevant, dangerous, contrary to the spirit of these times, 
an 
archaic hold-over from the past, etc.  

Those who proclaim that JP II  somehow has reneged on the promise of the 2nd 
Vatican Council have obviously never read any of his encyclicals on social 
issues, such as Laboren Exercens, On Human Work, or Solicitudo Rei Socialis, 
On 
Solidarity, or Centessimus Annus, The 100th Year, all of which, among many 
things which could be cited, condemn totalitarian capitalism right alongside 
totalitarian communism as dangerous economic errors. I have read those, and 
studied them, as well as the documents of Vatican II, most particularly 
Gaudium 
et Spes, the Church and the Modern World, and I try as best I can to live my 
life in accordance with the beauty and wisdom found therein. Those who 
proclaim 
that Paul VI, John Paul II, and Benedict XVI have "reneged" on the promises 
of 
Vatican II haven't much of a clue what those promises were in the first 
place, 
nor what has happened with them since.  Anyone who has studied the history of 
the Catholic Church knows that it takes about one hundred years for the 
reforms 
of a Church council to work their way through the Church.  And that is not a 
joke. The Catholic Church is big and ancient, and despite the claims of many, 
it 
is much less centralized than most people think, both in and out of the 
Church. 

Did Francis do all he could have during the Argentinian troubles?  I don't 
know, 
I wasn't there. If you're going to quote Monbiot at me, you should remember 
that 
Monbiot has decided that peak oil is a mirage, which gives me pause to wonder 
about his observation abilities.  Who writes his paycheck, I wonder.  The 
sudden 
ferocity of the outburst against the new pope is interesting and I've been 
wondering, "who's writing those paychecks?"  Yes, I am saying that then 
progressive/left get the same hermeneutic of suspicion treatment from me when 
it 
comes to mass media issues as much as Fox News and etc. I think the 
billionaires 
running the world system are pretty crafty, and I would not be surprised if 
we 
were eventually to discover that those who bomb, pollute, and destroy are 
manipulating this smear campaign.  

Whatever he did or didn't do, my question is, if he did wrong, or didn't do 
enough right, has he repented and changed his life and learned truths for the 
present? If he did right, has he learned from those lessons truths for the 
present?  In the meantime, on the world stage, he is saying some good things, 
quotes that we can use.  We should be happy somebody, anybody, with some 
authority is saying the things he is saying about caring for Creation and 
standing with the poor. Instead, we join in the cry of the crowd "CRUCIFY 
HIM, 
CRUCIFY HIM!"
 
Bob Waldrop
Oscar Romero Catholic Worker House
Oklahoma City
http://www.justpeace.org




________________________________
From: Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com>
To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Tue, March 19, 2013 2:29:31 PM
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Anti-catholicism, was Re: The people of Tibet 
need 
help now - Boing Boing

On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 3:22 PM, Robert Waldrop <bwaldrop1952@att.net>
wrote:
> Like I said, shut up that pope, keep him silent,. DO NOT ROCK THE WORLD
BOAT!
> Let's not do ANYTHING that might signal a break with the status quo.
Let's keep
> on bombing and polluting and killing. And while we're at it, let's shut
up all
> those other scheming Catholics out there feeding the poor and etc.  They
are
> doing nothing but defending useless eaters anyway.  The world would be
better
> without them, right?

Read this, Bob, and forward to others.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-EQ5DfDxGiKI/TtJsEj3jSxI/AAAAAAAABHE/cI4CUJL1z94/s451/171247_501568877152_579517152_6201709_5391004_o.jpg

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