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[venaurafarm <venaurafarm@bellsouth.net>]

On 3/16/2013 12:44 PM, venaurafarm wrote:
> On 3/15/2013 4:02 PM, John D'hondt wrote:
> > > > brand new pope became pope with his reccord of aiding and abedding dead
> > > > squads in Argentina.
> > >
> > > For a Catholic Jesuit priest this is unforgiveable, if actually true.
> >
> > The Argentinian mothers of the disappeared seem to think so.
>
> > They "disapeared" (there is a movie about this)
> > > all the hippies, lefties and alternative types then adopted their orphaned
> > > children.
> > > His latest statement is something about the Catholic Church needing to
> > > focus more on theological teachings
> > > if it wants to avoid being relegated to the pages of history as being
> > > simply another NGO in the service of humanity.
> > > If only they would do just that! He is a conservative Catholic who
> > > abhorred
> > > the Liberation Theology movement of decades past.
>
> He labelled LT Marxist doctrine. It would be logical to assume that he
> had the same opinion of the people in Argentina who were part of the
> new cultural renaissance that happened, cultural, social, political.
> It was primarily left leaning. As you might imagine many were probably
> not so immersed in the political aspects, i.e. political reform, but
> just wanted to get on with their lives while others may have
> participated in more radical leftist campaigning, all enjoying and
> benefiting from a refreshing, alternative, free thinking cultural
> climate. There were educated, skilled professionals, artists,
> architects, writers, poets, academics of all sorts, musicians, tradesmen
> and many others involved in this movement. The military junta came to
> power and committed genocide on these people. They were the Argentinian
> counterparts to the same kinds of people creating a cultural renaissance
> in the United States and Europe. Then, Kissinger and the CIA and other
> collaborators did the same thing in Chile, overthrowing the leftist
> Allende government and putting the despicable Pinochet in power; he
> probably took his direction from Spain's Franco
> who allowed the Nazis to use Spanish villages for target practice by the
> Luftwaffe. Pinochet's thugs assassinated the popular musician Victor
> Jara and probably the Poet Pablo Neruda as well (his body will soon be
> exhumed for an autopsy to determine cause of death). I was 21 in 1960
> and the Chinese invasion of Tibet had already happened; the full
> meaning, if not even news of as well, along with that of the sad events
> in Argentina, Brazil and Chile escaped my friends and I during the
> period 1960-1980. None of my closest friend were involved in anything
> political during those times. We were musicians, artists, thinkers and
> dreamers interested in the teachings of Indian mystics.
> I wish I had learned about Tibetan Buddhism then.

More on this + recent news:

16 March 2013
Pope Francis wants 'poor Church for the poor'
"The Pope on why he chose the name Francis, and the kind of Church he 
wants to see Pope Francis has said he wants "a poor Church, for the 
poor" following his election as head of the world's 1.2bn Catholics on 
Wednesday. He said he chose the name Francis after 12-13th Century St 
Francis of Assisi, who represented "poverty and peace". He urged 
journalists to get to know the Church with its "virtues and sins" and to 
share its focus on "truth, goodness and beauty"."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21812545

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Well, I guess they are safe now addressing the needs of the poor, now 
that the troublemakers are gone, at least in his home country and in 
Chile and Brazil, the intellectuals, the educated, the philosophers,
the political activists, especially the left leaning ones, the social 
and economic reformers, those with education, the middle class in 
general, those who wear glasses..gone also in other places where 
genocide of this class of people occurred, Cambodia, Bangladesh, 
probably Ceylon, Burma, other locations possibly. They wouldn't want to 
help the middle class because they would feel that they would not be 
able to control them and thus control the elections and that these folks 
would never allow a fascist military junta to come to power. So, its 
safe now to help the poor, they are easy to control, are defenseless, 
malleable, disadvantaged and in some cases disenfranchised.

Of course it would be wonderful beyond all imagining if the Catholic 
Church really did work to help the poor of the world. It would be nice 
if they also invited the permaculture and natural agriculture 
communities to help in this effort.