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  • From: Robert Waldrop <bwaldrop1952@att.net>
  • To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] The people of Tibet need help now - Boing Boing
  • Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 06:05:13 -0700 (PDT)

We know the present world system is not sustainable.

Sooner or later it will crash unless we can manage an intelligent descent.
Bob Waldrop, Oklahoma City
http://www.ipermie.net -- How to permaculture your urban lifestyle




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Subject: Re: [permaculture] The people of Tibet need help now - Boing Boing

Larry, Linda, Scott et al.,

I agree that we are moving towards a new awareness. But I’m not sure that it
will be an improvement on the previous awareness. On the contrary, all signs
point to a deterioration of the situation. Comparing the prevailing mood
during
my youth in the 60s and 70s with today, I cannot but feel very pessimistic.

In Europe everything is disintegrating. In the past, many believed in a
peaceful
and united Europe where nationalism would cease to play an important role. My
generation believed in ideals of peace, tolerance, social justice and the
fight
against fascism and racism. Today, many see nationalism as the way forward
and
expression of fascism and racism have become commonplace. Even 20 years ago,
that would have been unimaginable. Having grown up after the greatest
bloodletting of all times during WWII, my generation considered that war must
never again take place. Many of us have engaged in the peace movement and
accepted considerable personal sacrifices.


Today, as the memories of the war recedes, all of this is forgotten and we
are
despised as dangerous pacifist dreamers or ignorant do-gooders. Old national
rivalries are rekindled. Reading some Internet discussions, it feels more
like
1913 than 2013. Immigrants are attacked for allegedly exploiting our welfare
systems. The fight for resources leads to neocolonialism: the Chinese buy up
land everywhere and the West tries to control the World through its
corporations. War is again seen as a solution, especially if it involves
bombing
villages in faraway places from a safe distance like in a computer game. Am I
exaggerating? Then let’s listen to one of the combatants who must know:
England’s Prince Henry said after his deployment as fighter pilot in
Afghanistan
that “it was like a computer game.” Western nations are now developing
unmanned
drones and robots to fight foreign wars without direct human intervention.
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The writings of Chris Hedges and Naomi Klein give a good view/account of the
two competing cultures, one of nurture, the other of extraction that have
been at work in humanity throughout history. Our current time is truly
horrendous and intolerable. I have to agree that the only way out of this
trap is to do the good work that one can find according to ones talents in
supporting life, education and beauty. For me any other path is a
capitulation to the profit before people program which pushes ignorance
poverty and disease for the enrichment of a few lost souls. We must find
the eye of the storm and spread it's tranquility.
Steven.




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[mailto:permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of venaurafarm
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 9:52 PM
To: permaculture
Subject: Re: [permaculture] The people of Tibet need help now - Boing Boing


On 3/13/2013 8:53 PM, Koreen Brennan wrote:
> Thank you for sharing these thoughts and insights, Scott and Linda.

I would like to express my appreciation as well, magnificent writing, and
thinking. Nearly all of us have our own stories to tell, what we have seen
and heard during our lifetimes that illustrates the senselessness of the
behavior of certain elements of society in countries around the world. For
me, it continues to be difficult to believe that it could have happened at
all. I cringe when some people I talk to about this just say, "well, this
has been going on for thousands of years".

The obvious challenge is for us to try and create ways to help oppressed
people wherever they are, to reach them with presentations of the best that
permaculture has to offer, for them to learn and put into practice where
they live, to empower and lift them up so they will become self sufficient,
independent and self reliant within local communities they create together.




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