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  • From: "Frances and David" <fdnokes@hotmail.com>
  • To: "permaculture" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] Rock Dust
  • Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 10:23:09 -0800

Thanks for sharing the ugly truth, Koreen!
Am forwarding this to a friend as moral support and further evidence. She is teaming with others to end fluoride in her town.
Uphill battle all the way as you know... Longtime hoax.
Frances


-----Original Message----- From: Koreen Brennan
Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 8:29 AM
To: permaculture
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Rock Dust

If you saw the damage phosphate mining does, I don't think that anybody would think it is ok. A waste product of the mining is flouride - but an extra toxic form of it. Instead of paying to dispose of this toxic substance, the phosphate mines have a sweet deal - cities pay THEM for the flouride, to put it in our water. We had a mafia election last election that booted out all the county people who voted to remove flouride from our water (after a long battle by citizen's groups), and they put some yes men in, illegally. There are lawsuits, etc, gearing up. It's a dirty, mafia business. They're supposed to clean the wetlands and other ecosystems that they destroy but don't do it a lot of the time. They are polluting a very integrated, porous and delicate ground water system here. The water flows for miles and miles underground through caves, etc, in a karst system. And most of the phosphate is used to keep toxic GMO conventional ag going full blast. Their
plants would keel over and die without it.

Koreen Brennan

www.growpermaculture.com
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From: Scott Pittman <scott@permaculture.org>
To: 'permaculture' <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Friday, March 8, 2013 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Rock Dust

I have to disagree about using strip mined rock phosphate. The first ethic
of permaculture "care of the earth" is not vague and should be respected
regarding destructive practices to satisfy immediate needs.

Permaculture is a solutions based design system and we should all be looking
for solutions to bad practices. The guano mining of the past destroyed
miles of coral reefs, and bird habitat to provide agricultural additives and
explosives for our empire building. The same arguments are used for
mountaintop removal to reach coal, "we need the energy to offset the cost of
petroleum".

"Necessity is the mother of "taking chances". Mark Twain

Scott Pittman

"Another world is not only possible, she is on her way.
On a quiet day, I can hear her breathing."
~Arundhati Roy

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of venaurafarm
Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 9:18 AM
To: permaculture
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Rock Dust

On 3/8/2013 9:39 AM, Koreen Brennan wrote:
as a note, the phosphate mines in Florida are doing horrible damage
to environments. Not even remotely sustainable to use mined phosphate

Use it anyway. You will do more good by using it and directly offsetting
their bad environmental practices with your positive effect
your garden has on the local and regional ecology. Do not deprive
yourself of rock or colloidal phosphate. Bone or feather meal is not an
acceptable alternative.

- as bad as coal mining, etc. It's a good thing to check into mining
practices of whatever rock minerals you get. Using the waste stream
is the best. I haven't had rock dust from various waste streams
tested around here but something on my list. As you say Lawrence,
there is plenty of science out there about the positive effects of
rock minerals on plants.

There certainly is.

There is the soil science and then there are other factors. I always
test products and product combinations in my own garden for many
reasons. The main way I've done it is with seedlings but I'm doing
more with trees and other things now. One major wild card factor is
the spiritual relationship between a person and their plants. And
that sometimes supercedes all the nutrients in the world. I've had

Yes, I go into my garden and listen quietly; the plants send this
message to me, "feed me more rock phosphate".

people go into my "volunteer" garden area and kill or stunt things
just by being around them, and others go in and the plant just leaps
upward and outward. That is a fascinating study.

Yes, vlad and solomon would have this effect.
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