permaculture

[Cory Brennan <cory8570@yahoo.com>]

I know there is cooperation regionally in more established areas and didn't 
mean to suggest otherwise. I think there could be more of it between regions 
and that could happen with or without a National Convergence. I appreciate 
Loren making the suggestion and reaching out. 

I'm in Florida which is definitely pioneer territory, but we are starting to 
get more effective cooperation going with our first statewide convergence in 
January. I did PR and marketing in my previous to permaculture life and 
remain interested in exploring cross pollination type collaborations with the 
purpose of amping up exposure to permaculture and penetration of quality 
information about permaculture values, principles and design techniques more 
deeply and broadly into the culture. A permaculture principle is using the 
energies in the system, and my energy has value if it is recognized and 
utilized. 
 
Koreen Brennan

www.growpermaculture.com
www.facebook.com/growpermaculturenow
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To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org> 
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 5:58 PM
Subject: [permaculture] cooperation between permaculture teachers
 
Koreen 

Totally agreed about the cooperation, including marketing cooperation, and 
about your comment  "we might learn more from one another and become more 
effective as teachers."

Sorry, but I don't know what part of the US you are in and about the level of 
cooperation between permaculture teachers there.  

But I would like to point out that there already exists a lot of cooperation 
between permaculture teachers in many regions of the US. The area I am most 
familiar with is my home region of the Pacific Northwest.  There has been 
lots of collaboration and cooperation and exchange bettween pc teachers in 
our area over the decades.  Lots happens at our annual Pacific Northwest 
Permaculture Convergence.  A lot is coming together right now in our regional 
association of pc teachers, Cascadian Permaculture Institute. It aims for 
high standards of teaching and for collaboration between CPI members.  CPI is 
just now coming together formally, but we have many years of informal working 
together.  

i know that there is lots of intra-regional cooperation in many other parts 
of the US as well. California, Southwest, Colorado, Northeast, Southeast, 
upper Midwest, etc. 

Of course there is a long ways to go and much more to do, but I didn't want 
any new reader to get the impression there is no cooperation among 
permaculture teachers.  

At some point we will have a North American Permaculture Convergence to 
further this process on a national level.  Until then every permaculture 
teacher should be doing their due diligence to connect with and cooperate 
with other permaculture teachers in their region.

Permacordially,

Michael Pilarski

Michael "Skeeter" Pilarski
Permaculture - Wildcrafting - Medicinal Herbs & Seeds

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--- On Mon, 2/11/13, Cory Brennan <cory8570@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Cory Brennan <cory8570@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Who is this?
To: "permaculture" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Date: Monday, February 11, 2013, 1:59 PM

I think we can learn from successful marketing techniques no matter who is 
doing them. I have ethical problems with some things he does, like start 
"social" Facebook pages and hide who he is on them and then use them to 
market his products. 

I would like to see more cooperation between permaculture teachers. I think 
it would be easier if we pooled marketing and made more effort to get to know 
one another and our strengths. I think that if we worked together more and 
used some (ethical) marketing strategy, we would all have more than enough 
students, and we might learn more from one another and become more effective 
as teachers. 
 
Koreen Brennan

www.growpermaculture.com
www.facebook.com/growpermaculturenow
www.meetup.com/sustainable-urban-agriculture-coalition


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To: Permaculture Listserve <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org> 
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 4:42 PM
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It looks like the campaign is going good, despite some obvious concerns 
regarding the content/teacher/ethics.  (I have never met this person, so I 
cannot vouch either way for their credibility).

Maybe there is something to learn from this?  Cooperation not competition...? 
 I agree with the concept personally, I think the more people are exposed to 
PC the better.  But now again we are back to the issue of 
curriculum/accreditation/consistency- what are they learning and is it 
similar to what we all "should" be teaching.  (Obviously the hard part with 
an online course is for students to have hands-on experience.)

Anyone can object to the campaign if you believe it is using "prohibited 
content" here:
http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/313242

Loren Luyendyk
805-452-8249
Permaculture Design and Education
ISA Certified Arborist #WE-7805A
www.sborganics.com
www.globalpermaculture.com
www.surferswithoutborders.com


> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 16:05:00 -0500
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> On 2/11/2013 1:23 PM, Cory Brennan wrote:
> 
> > There are already a number of well developed on line curriculae
> > available - Dan Hemenways' Barking Frogs course, an Australia course
> > that I've heard very good things about (forgot the name of the
> > organization), and there is a partial course that is free on-line
> > that was just released, done at NCSU. And there is on-line curriculum
> > at permaculture media. And probably some I'm not aware of.  These are
> > developed by people who are using permaculture in their lives,
> > walking their talk.
> 
> Can you provide a list of links to their respective websites or other 
> online resources they use?
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I monitored it last year, and it is a very thorough, in-depth look at 
permaculture design. 20 week course with demanding course work and lots of 
information provided. The students provided detailed and in depth designs. I 
don't have sufficient data about the other courses to comment. 
 
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The Barking Frogs course info is online at 
http://www.barkingfrogspermaculture.org .

This is how I got my certificate and have been hanging out there helping with 
the course since 2007 or so.

Bob Waldrop
http://www.ipermie.net How to permaculture your urban lifestyle



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On 2/11/2013 1:23 PM, Cory Brennan wrote:

> There are already a number of well developed on line curriculae
> available - Dan Hemenways' Barking Frogs course, an Australia course
> that I've heard very good things about (forgot the name of the
> organization), and there is a partial course that is free on-line
> that was just released, done at NCSU. And there is on-line curriculum
> at permaculture media. And probably some I'm not aware of.  These are
> developed by people who are using permaculture in their lives,
> walking their talk.

Can you provide a list of links to their respective websites or other 
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Thank you Koreen,

You are totally right.  I may have sounded a little cantankerous in my last 
email.  There is tremendous room for further cooperation and promoting of 
permaculture in the USA and you are right that it doesn't need a national 
convergence to do so. There is at least one move afoot to set up a national 
registrar of certified/qualified teachers. This dicussion has been ongoing 
over the years and is always fraught with controversy.  Hopefully we can 
increase collaboration at the national level.  To this end, I have been 
promoting a national convergence for some time, including on this list serve. 
Most anyone with any real gumption already has their hands full. 

There are a number of national portals for permaculture 
information/websites/organizations/sites on the internet. I usually start at 
the Permaculture Activist, PRI/USA, the PermaculturePortal and there are many 
others.  Who has got the most definitive list at this point? 

Looking forward to watching the developments on the national scene. Your pr 
and marketing skills are certainly needed. 


Michael "Skeeter" Pilarski
Permaculture - Wildcrafting - Medicinal Herbs & Seeds


----- Original Message -----
From: Cory Brennan <cory8570@yahoo.com>
To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Cc: 
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: [permaculture] cooperation between permaculture teachers

I know there is cooperation regionally in more established areas and didn't 
mean to suggest otherwise. I think there could be more of it between regions 
and that could happen with or without a National Convergence. I appreciate 
Loren making the suggestion and reaching out. 

I'm in Florida which is definitely pioneer territory, but we are starting to 
get more effective cooperation going with our first statewide convergence in 
January. I did PR and marketing in my previous to permaculture life and 
remain interested in exploring cross pollination type collaborations with the 
purpose of amping up exposure to permaculture and penetration of quality 
information about permaculture values, principles and design techniques more 
deeply and broadly into the culture. A permaculture principle is using the 
energies in the system, and my energy has value if it is recognized and 
utilized. 
 
Koreen Brennan

www.growpermaculture.com
www.facebook.com/growpermaculturenow
www.meetup.com/sustainable-urban-agriculture-coalition


________________________________
From: Michael Pilarski <friendsofthetrees@yahoo.com>
To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org> 
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 5:58 PM
Subject: [permaculture] cooperation between permaculture teachers

Koreen 

Totally agreed about the cooperation, including marketing cooperation, and 
about your comment  "we might learn more from one another and become more 
effective as teachers."

Sorry, but I don't know what part of the US you are in and about the level of 
cooperation between permaculture teachers there.  

But I would like to point out that there already exists a lot of cooperation 
between permaculture teachers in many regions of the US. The area I am most 
familiar with is my home region of the Pacific Northwest.  There has been 
lots of collaboration and cooperation and exchange bettween pc teachers in 
our area over the decades.  Lots happens at our annual Pacific Northwest 
Permaculture Convergence.  A lot is coming together right now in our regional 
association of pc teachers, Cascadian Permaculture Institute. It aims for 
high standards of teaching and for collaboration between CPI members.  CPI is 
just now coming together formally, but we have many years of informal working 
together.  

i know that there is lots of intra-regional cooperation in many other parts 
of the US as well. California, Southwest, Colorado, Northeast, Southeast, 
upper Midwest, etc. 

Of course there is a long ways to go and much more to do, but I didn't want 
any new reader to get the impression there is no cooperation among 
permaculture teachers.  

At some point we will have a North American Permaculture Convergence to 
further this process on a national level.  Until then every permaculture 
teacher should be doing their due diligence to connect with and cooperate 
with other permaculture teachers in their region.

Permacordially,

Michael Pilarski

Michael "Skeeter" Pilarski
Permaculture - Wildcrafting - Medicinal Herbs & Seeds

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--- On Mon, 2/11/13, Cory Brennan <cory8570@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Cory Brennan <cory8570@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Who is this?
To: "permaculture" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Date: Monday, February 11, 2013, 1:59 PM

I think we can learn from successful marketing techniques no matter who is 
doing them. I have ethical problems with some things he does, like start 
"social" Facebook pages and hide who he is on them and then use them to 
market his products. 

I would like to see more cooperation between permaculture teachers. I think 
it would be easier if we pooled marketing and made more effort to get to know 
one another and our strengths. I think that if we worked together more and 
used some (ethical) marketing strategy, we would all have more than enough 
students, and we might learn more from one another and become more effective 
as teachers. 
 
Koreen Brennan

www.growpermaculture.com
www.facebook.com/growpermaculturenow
www.meetup.com/sustainable-urban-agriculture-coalition


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From: loren luyendyk <loren@sborganics.com>
To: Permaculture Listserve <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org> 
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Who is this?


It looks like the campaign is going good, despite some obvious concerns 
regarding the content/teacher/ethics.  (I have never met this person, so I 
cannot vouch either way for their credibility).

Maybe there is something to learn from this?  Cooperation not competition...? 
 I agree with the concept personally, I think the more people are exposed to 
PC the better.  But now again we are back to the issue of 
curriculum/accreditation/consistency- what are they learning and is it 
similar to what we all "should" be teaching.  (Obviously the hard part with 
an online course is for students to have hands-on experience.)

Anyone can object to the campaign if you believe it is using "prohibited 
content" here:
http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/313242

Loren Luyendyk
805-452-8249
Permaculture Design and Education
ISA Certified Arborist #WE-7805A
www.sborganics.com
www.globalpermaculture.com
www.surferswithoutborders.com


> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 16:05:00 -0500
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> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Who is this?
> 
> On 2/11/2013 1:23 PM, Cory Brennan wrote:
> 
> > There are already a number of well developed on line curriculae
> > available - Dan Hemenways' Barking Frogs course, an Australia course
> > that I've heard very good things about (forgot the name of the
> > organization), and there is a partial course that is free on-line
> > that was just released, done at NCSU. And there is on-line curriculum
> > at permaculture media. And probably some I'm not aware of.  These are
> > developed by people who are using permaculture in their lives,
> > walking their talk.
> 
> Can you provide a list of links to their respective websites or other 
> online resources they use?
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La Familia...another great debate that brings up many issues that need to
be discussed openly and positively constructively as has been developing
here. These types of issues will continue to expose themselves and have
been for some time in other networks across the globe. Scott Pittman and
myself along with a small team of others have already mentioned the need to
consider how to evolve global systems and structures that connect and
relate to all, being inclusive and not exclusive but being able to develop
open communication to satisfy the growing need of Permaculture and all
those that join the family at whatever level from whatever trait or
characteristic.

We have talked also about continental and national conferences to recognise
such entities that then support greater regional conferences , like the
Pacific NW and  the smaller bioregions that these are then made up of and
the many individual institutes other bodies business entities and
individuals operating at all levels within. All ideally, having the honesty
and integrity to espouse and deliver strong well experienced curricula
supported by excellent models on the ground. OK there are plenty that do
not serve this and are consequently destroying the greater integrity, so
our collective challenge is to reinforce the strong and true dimensions of
Permaculture but also recognise those that are weak and falling short, then
do something about it. PNW may be a good model to build from.

Once again I support Skeeta's call "At some point we will have a North
American Permaculture Convergence to further this process on a national
level.? Until then every permaculture teacher should be doing their due
diligence to connect with and cooperate with other permaculture teachers in
their region." This in my opinion will go a long way to evolving the
solutions needed in this design challenge. So Skeeta...just jump in the
deep end and call the conference. I'm sure you will be amazed at the
positive support you will get.

I'm not American but my great grandparents were and I personally still
speak loudly of the idea of having such a conference at Pine Ridge. Koreen
have you built that scenario and strategic plan yet ?

Kia ora

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*Steve Hart*
Ecology Architect
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