permaculture

["Frances and David" <fdnokes@hotmail.com>]

Hats off to all in this thread!!
I feel an urgent need in this area.
All parts of it, from initial design to retrofit are relevant to me.
We are currently looking at where we are going to live next, and getting off 
the grid is a most powerful attractor.
I have wondered about this information for a while, and so rocket stoves are 
of interest as they are so economical of use of trees and there are always 
lots of pickings out where we live (pacific north west). I am particularly 
interested in the co-generation concept as this allows us to tap into the 
natural cycles of life that foster ongoing life on our planet: water cycles, 
energy cycles, bio-cycles. This is the way that all life has adapted always, 
it seems to me. There is beauty and power in this type of efficiency.
I want to learn how to live!
Cheers!
Frances



-----Original Message----- 
From: venaurafarm
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 9:40 AM
To: permaculture
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Ethical energy use - what is your favorite 
"better than PV panels?"

On 1/1/2013 12:05 PM, Cory Brennan wrote:
> Yes, some very good ideas, but I deal with urban systems which must
> be retrofitted, not torn down and rebuilt (which would be way

Most of my suggestions do not require tearing down anything, only
infill, retrofit, redesign and remodel. With steam generated electric
power you have the same thing as microhydro only you are using rotors
turned by wood and water rather than gravity and water, using locally
sourced materials. If somehow you could put together community or
neighborhood toilets or even sewage lines connecting toilets in homes
coupled with biogas generation equipment you would have a source of fuel
for cooking, DHW production and for the electric generator which could
driven by any 4 cycle engine retrofitted with natural gas carburetion
(there is a company in West Virginia that sells all of these
components). Neighborhood biogas generation with community toilets (less
flush water) would likely be a properly scaled system
that would be the easiest to manage.

WATER:

We haven't even begun to discuss water catchment, purification,
conservation and recycling. Systems dealing with these issues are some
of the e3asiest to construct and put in place for reliable operation.

We need more ideas about water use and recycling.

> wasteful, and just lazy design). This is a problem that I feel needs
> to be confronted with the group genius at work, really digging in and
> looking for the best solutions to the existing structure - not some
> pie in the sky scenario. We are here, we did do what we did, and now
> we are functioning via the use of fossil fuels on massive scales.
> What is the design solution?

Lets work on it!
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