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[Linda Ray <lindaray@att.net>]

I humbly suggest we think outside of 'gender' and more into 'personal 
character 
attribute sets that are harmonious with Permaculture objectives'. 


That way, we won't leave out Mother Theresa, Gandhiji, Mother Mary and Jesus, 
Nelson Mandela, Sir Francis Bacon, Lady Di, and Wafa Sultan, among many, many 
others. It's much, much larger than simple gender IMO.

Limited language breeds limited thinking. If you cannot express in depth and 
with thoroughness what you are doing, it's *way* harder to spread the word 
about 
it... Permaculture is in a ground-breaking position here. Carpe Diem :-).

Namaste,

Linda




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From: Lee Flier <leeflier@comcast.net>
To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
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Subject: Re: [permaculture] WTF?

Like I said, I don't deny the research, but I just don't know that it's 
constructive to frame communications problems in those terms.  I think it's 
enough to simply say that there are different styles of communication (which 
are 
affected by a lot of factors including gender, culture, language, and 
individual 
upbringing) and it's probably constructive for everyone to work on their 
communication skills, especially in today's globalized culture.

I also don't necessarily agree that female leadership tends toward more 
cooperative or peaceful results.  We haven't had too many women in power 
throughout history to use as examples, but those we have had haven't 
necessarily 
been shining examples - Margaret Thatcher and Marie Antoinette come to mind. 
:D  
Women are just as susceptible as men to being corrupted by power.

I realize there are some generalities that hold true in a lot of cases, but 
since I've personally been victimized by generalizations far more often than 
I've been helped (and know many others in the same boat), I tend to poke 
holes 
in them much more often than accept them.

On 8/21/2010 3:19 PM, Killian O'Brien wrote:
> Lee,
> 
> This is basically an FYI comment, but I think if we are bothering to have 
> this 
>conversation, we can't dismiss what is an important aspect of it, even if 
>not a 
>central point of contention therein.
> 
> Research, experience and history do show fairly large differences in 
>communicative styles which also translate over to problem solving. Of 
>course, 
>these are generalizations, but they are real issues and the generalizations 
>apply to a large percentage of the population. Essentially, women problem 
>solve 
>via relationships, men via practicalities.
> 
> The results of female leadership because of this tend to create more 
>cooperative, more peaceful results... including societies. Like I said 
>before, 
>I'd love to study with permaculturists such as Starhawk, but would likely 
>never 
>teach in a similar style... though I might have 20 years ago.

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  Thanks Linda.  That's pretty much what I was getting at.

On 8/22/2010 4:50 PM, Linda Ray wrote:
> I humbly suggest we think outside of 'gender' and more into 'personal 
> character
> attribute sets that are harmonious with Permaculture objectives'.
>
>
> That way, we won't leave out Mother Theresa, Gandhiji, Mother Mary and 
> Jesus,
> Nelson Mandela, Sir Francis Bacon, Lady Di, and Wafa Sultan, among many, 
> many
> others. It's much, much larger than simple gender IMO.
>
> Limited language breeds limited thinking. If you cannot express in depth and
> with thoroughness what you are doing, it's *way* harder to spread the word 
> about
> it... Permaculture is in a ground-breaking position here. Carpe Diem :-).
>
> Namaste,
>
> Linda
>