permaculture

[Dick Pierce <dickpiercedesigns@gmail.com>]

Linda, thanks for stirring this pot, this way - I am a product of a "boy's
rules" culture, so much so that I do not think about it or realize it most
of the time - sorry to hear that this is another facet of being an ugly
American [male] but can see where it comes from and how it can be viewed
that way.

I find my self turning off more and more to the long, multi-author message
strings on this web site - some of the content is only marginally of
interest, but the tone of some and the knife-like swipes of many are
irritating and counter productive, in my opinion.

I have been involved in a couple of local conversations lately - from which
I have withdrawn with considerable upset - where it became clear that the
object was winning, or winning someone over to one's thinking/theory, and
the tactics included: put-downs, insults, slander, louder and louder voices,
more and more attacking, etc. I use this as a close-to-home analogy for some
of the stuff I'm half-way reading on this listserve.

Boys Rules or what ever it is may be OK in personal, in-person conversation
between consenting adults/children - it's not, to me, in impersonal, remote,
non-visible, non-consenting, don't-know-you-or-your-culture-very-well/at all
mass communication. I like a Baha'i Faith saying that goes:"Let a kindly
tongue be the lodestone of your heart." Another, source unknown: "Is this
the best thing I can say/do in this situation, for the good/benefit of the
largest number?" I like the concept of communication and dialogue for this
listserve - far better than polarizing or winning a point or building a
following. That's my wish/opinion.

One question pops out at me - being a product of boy's/men's rules and
American society and business,................what are "girl's rules" or
"boy's/girl's" rules, and how does this play toward what I'd guess I'd like
called "[compassionate, caring, nice, kind, inclusive, polite, constructive,
learning/teaching, _____ ] adult rules? I'm serious in asking - I'd like
very much to have such a list - perhaps I and others could merge/select from
the two lists and be better people, communicators, and list-servers.

I hope that I'll become a better listener for the great info and talent and
knowledge and perspective of the many folks that tune in to and communicate
on this listserve

Dick Pierce - Martha's Vineyard, MA & Austin, TX

On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 3:18 PM, <LBUZZELL@aol.com> wrote:

> In a message dated 8/19/2010 12:09:00 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> slowfoodguy@yahoo.com writes:
>
> Surely  this artifact of paternal-lineaged, sky-god agriculture will pass
> just as fast  as our use of oil;o)
>
> Thanks, slowfoodguy.  Good food for thoughts...
>
> Linda
>
>
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