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[Milton Dixon <miltonics@midwestpermaculture.com>]

 Dick, you echo my thoughts.  I give up on these conversations pretty 
quickly as they devolve.  There doesn't seem to be much of value in them.

I wonder what internet communication would look like after 100 or 1000 
years?  If its still around I do hope it will be more civil and more 
productive.

*Milton Dixon *
Technology Consultant
Midwest Permaculture <http://www.midwestpermaculture.com>
milton@midwestpermaculture.com <mailto:milton@midwestpermaculture.com>
773.789.8887

On 8/20/2010 10:48 AM, Dick Pierce wrote:
> Linda, thanks for stirring this pot, this way - I am a product of a "boy's
> rules" culture, so much so that I do not think about it or realize it most
> of the time - sorry to hear that this is another facet of being an ugly
> American [male] but can see where it comes from and how it can be viewed
> that way.
>
> I find my self turning off more and more to the long, multi-author message
> strings on this web site - some of the content is only marginally of
> interest, but the tone of some and the knife-like swipes of many are
> irritating and counter productive, in my opinion.
>
> I have been involved in a couple of local conversations lately - from which
> I have withdrawn with considerable upset - where it became clear that the
> object was winning, or winning someone over to one's thinking/theory, and
> the tactics included: put-downs, insults, slander, louder and louder voices,
> more and more attacking, etc. I use this as a close-to-home analogy for some
> of the stuff I'm half-way reading on this listserve.
>
> Boys Rules or what ever it is may be OK in personal, in-person conversation
> between consenting adults/children - it's not, to me, in impersonal, remote,
> non-visible, non-consenting, don't-know-you-or-your-culture-very-well/at all
> mass communication. I like a Baha'i Faith saying that goes:"Let a kindly
> tongue be the lodestone of your heart." Another, source unknown: "Is this
> the best thing I can say/do in this situation, for the good/benefit of the
> largest number?" I like the concept of communication and dialogue for this
> listserve - far better than polarizing or winning a point or building a
> following. That's my wish/opinion.
>
> One question pops out at me - being a product of boy's/men's rules and
> American society and business,................what are "girl's rules" or
> "boy's/girl's" rules, and how does this play toward what I'd guess I'd like
> called "[compassionate, caring, nice, kind, inclusive, polite, constructive,
> learning/teaching, _____ ] adult rules? I'm serious in asking - I'd like
> very much to have such a list - perhaps I and others could merge/select from
> the two lists and be better people, communicators, and list-servers.
>
> I hope that I'll become a better listener for the great info and talent and
> knowledge and perspective of the many folks that tune in to and communicate
> on this listserve
>
> Dick Pierce - Martha's Vineyard, MA&  Austin, TX
>
> On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 3:18 PM,<LBUZZELL@aol.com>  wrote:
>
> > In a message dated 8/19/2010 12:09:00 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> > slowfoodguy@yahoo.com writes:
> >
> > Surely  this artifact of paternal-lineaged, sky-god agriculture will pass
> > just as fast  as our use of oil;o)
> >
> > Thanks, slowfoodguy.  Good food for thoughts...
> >
> > Linda
> >
> >
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