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[Killian O'Brien <admin@pri-de.org>]

Lee,

This is basically an FYI comment, but I think if we are bothering to have 
this conversation, we can't dismiss what is an important aspect of it, even 
if not a central point of contention therein.

Research, experience and history do show fairly large differences in 
communicative styles which also translate over to problem solving. Of course, 
these are generalizations, but they are real issues and the generalizations 
apply to a large percentage of the population. Essentially, women problem 
solve via relationships, men via practicalities.

The results of female leadership because of this tend to create more 
cooperative, more peaceful results... including societies. Like I said 
before, I'd love to study with permaculturists such as Starhawk, but would 
likely never teach in a similar style... though I might have 20 years ago.

Cheers,

Killian O'Brien
PRI-De
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killiankob@yahoo.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org 
[mailto:permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Lee Flier
Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 12:44 PM
To: permaculture
Subject: Re: [permaculture] WTF?

  Oh, I don't deny that.  I think what I'm saying is that I'm not sure 
how constructive it is to frame it in those terms.  In my own 
experience, this only seems to get people more entrenched rather than 
enlightened.  Most people are really loathe to be seen as un-masculine 
or un-feminine, so if you point to some study that shows there are 
differences, people will tend to cling to those behaviors as if doing 
otherwise would betray their gender.

President Obama alluded to this same problem when he spoke about how 
many black kids in poor areas will put down a friend who reads books for 
"acting white."  I'm sure you could point to statistics that show fewer 
black kids than white kids read books regularly, but obviously, 
correlation doesn't equal causation, and this doesn't mean that reading 
books is or should be something that's associated with "being white."  
Likewise I think the implication that "women are better at communicating 
than men," among other things, is self perpetuating.

On 8/20/2010 2:29 PM, LBUZZELL@aol.com wrote:
> Thanks, Lee.  There has been quite a bit of research on "average"
> differences in conversation styles in women and men

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